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Basketball Decision Making and Chess

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hayesfan, Jan 4, 2008.

  1. sirbaihu

    sirbaihu Member

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    I thought Adelman's much bigger, almost fatal error, was starting to try to kill the clock with about 6 minutes left. That's an eternity! The Rockets had been attacking and Brooks wreaking havoc in the paint, and they slow it down with SIX MINUTES left? Almost deadly. The loss would have been all on Adelman for that reason, in my mind.
     
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    chuck's plus minus was so good tonight!!! he has a positive impact even though he has weaknesses.
     
  3. durvasa

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    It depends on how quickly the guy defending the ball handler can get over the pick. Foyle is a good screener, so if Yao hangs back then the Rockets could give up an open jumper. Possibly a game winning 3-pointer.
     
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    thank you.that's also why against boston i wanted him to keep yao one the bench for some more minutes and let yao in at the end
     
  5. Hayesfan

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    Maybe the trust factor is an issue, Adelman trusts Bonzi more because he knows him better...

    but it just seems to me that Adelman's moves aren't strategic but "gut" instead. I am not an expert coach by any stretch of the imagination, but I likened it to Chess because that's an analogy that I figured everyone would understand.

    There is no way to win Chess if you only pay attention to one move at a time. The more moves ahead you can figure the probability of your opponent making the better your chances of winning the game.

    If your opponent leaves the Queen open to be taken, most of the time its a trap to get to your pieces.

    It seems to me that he doesn't make choices based on what is a probable outcome or for logical reasoning instead it all seems haphazard still. After this many games I expected him to understand his personnel and how to utilize them affectively.

    That was really the point I wanted to get across in my original post, because this isn't the first time this season I have yelled at the TV that he was playing right into the other coach's hands.

    On a side note Chuck has got to improve the free throws so coach trusts him instead of "having" to jerk him in that situation. When you are holding onto a lead and have a team down, defense is what keeps them there as well as what keeps you motivated offensively.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Still, seems like you'd rather take your chances with a jumper then a guy taking it to the hole without your shot-blocker.

    If the Magic needed a trey, I'd say yeah, take Yao out of course. But for 2 points against a team that's been making layups against us all night - not so sure.
     
  7. doublebogey

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    The coach could care less about how many team fouls Magic had. The coach worries more about their offense gets cold and cant re-start. It's not an uncommon move by the coaches.
     
  8. Shroopy2

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    Then that's contradictory
    If the offensive flow was good up to when the foul occured, then Hayes was PART OF IT.

    http://www.nba.com/games/20080104/HOUORL/playbyplay.html
    [HOU 80-75]

    Wells Substitution replaced by Hayes 9:00
    [HOU 89-77]
    5:24 Dooling Foul:personal (2 PF)
    Hayes Substitution replaced by Wells 5:24

    When Hayes came in Rockets added 7 points to the lead.

    Hayesfan is probably right. For whatever reason the Magic fouled for, there was no reason to take Hayes out the game. If anything taking out Hayes messed up the flow.
     
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  9. AzNaNsZ

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    i think svg wanted RA to bench hayes because man hayes is a mighty defensive player :)
     
  10. JayGoogle

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    Football is more like Chess, I don't think Bball is.

    A lot of times coaches react to what happens and expect certain things to happen. Example...teams used to double Kobe and force others to make shots hoping Kobe's teammates would not make the shots... if they did then the other team goes back to man to man. If they didn't make the shot sthe then Kobe sees more pressure.

    Or when Avery changed his line-up going into the playoffs last year against the Warriors. That was more of him reacting to the last time they played against them. Don Nelson didn't predict this...but if its one thing the Warriors like is big men that can't run the floor too well (Dampier, Yao Ming) they take them out of the game and Avery was trying to go small against them...which means you are going to try and outrun a team that plays that fast every night?

    The best basketball coaches make adjustments, thats why I think it is more of a reaction thing then a think 3 moves ahead of your opponent like football is.

    But also I wouldn't want Hayes shooting FT either, I think Adelman just thought that the Magic wouldn't foul Hayes either that or he forgot.
     

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