Barry chooses Spurs over Blazers; Rockets were pursuing Daniels?

if we did offer the 4th year and we weren't a top 2 finalist, then something seems wrong here. i guess you could say it was either between sorta staying home (Pac NW) and going to the best available contender (which would put us 3rd i guess), but still, portland over us?

if we didn't offer the 4th year, i've gotta question why not. of course, enough people on here seem to think it's overpaying so CD thinking the same thing isn't unreasonable.


what's really weird is him signing for just below MLE money. i know SA doesn't actually have the MLE b/c they're under the cap but i just figured if it was 4 years, it would be 24 million. damn, even in a sellers market utah and SA get people for a little bit under what they could get. then bowen for only 9M over 3 years? i know after he stopped hitting 3's at a ridiculous rate he lost some serious value but i thought he still had more than that.


i would assume this means that hedo for cat trade isn't even in the realm of possibility now? no way they play parker, barry, gino, and cat. of course, i would've said there was no way adonal foyle could get 41 million dollars.

 

I don't want Damon Jones or Fisher. They suck. They can't shoot, and play like crap. No brains. Stinko.

I don't believe this about Barry. It would be stupid if the Rockets were not in the running. What kind of moron would balk at a 4th year? If that's all it is - grrrr. Texas is better than Po-land, BB. That's a given. And Houston is better than SA, in case you didn't know. But maybe you're a puss.

I'd rather have nothing than crap. Screw the alternatives. Just run frickin' Gaines out there. Whatever. Wait till next year.

This reminds me of the year when Tim Thomas, Grant Hill and Eddie Robinson got big money.

 

Ok. Maybe the Spurs signed Barry to play the point and Ginobili will start at the 2. Then they will trade us Parker! PG problem solved!!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!

Ooops- I must have been typing in my sleep.

Seriously though... would the numbers work for the Rockets to trade or TE to the Cav's for Battie and McGinnis? Battie would be the perfect back-up and McGinnis should be pretty good for another year or two. Then we can look to land/develop another PG next year or the year after.

 

I was always a little suspicious of us getting Barry. In two interviews I heard of JVG he said that it was important not to just get the best PG availble, but the best for the team and the best value. Best for the team was defend, shoot well, and don't turn the ball over. Barry was two of those, but he wasn't the defender or a really great value (considering he said this before the FA craziness and with regards to contract length demands vs. Barry's age, etc.).

Daniels certainly makes sense, then. Somebody incorrectly said that he averaged 4.2 apg and 2 to's...actually it was .89 to's.

For general discussion, PG's who recently floated around/struggled only to have a good/great year(s) in the right situation:

Billups
B Jackson
Hudson
Arroyo (doesn't quite count, but he had played for three teams in three years)
Nash
Boykins

A lot of those guys were considered busts or liabilities at some point in their career. Not saying that means a Jones or Daniels would definitely pan out, just that point guards mature more slowly due to the difficulty of the position...so it is possible. Can anyone think of other examples?

 

Cavs is very satisfied with the performance of Battier and McGinnis.

Not going to happen.

 

I'd really like to get Daniels, but if the Sonics have lost Barry, why would they trade Daniels? To get rid of one of their overpriced bigs? That idea has been knocked around here.

I'm bummed about Barry.

 

I hope the Barry signing didn't kill our chances at getting Daniels. The Spurs gave Daniels a 4 year deal. So if people thought that was a bad deal for the Rocks, imagine the Spurs having him for 4 years.

 

I agree Deckard. Doesn't Seattle have a pretty good young PG they drafted last year? Hopefully they're still open to trading Daniels, but this probably hurt our chances big time.

 

honestly, i hope we get fisher at this point (assuming he wants less than barry).

derek fisher is a tough nut to crack. on the one hand, he's had 3 poor to very bad 3 pt shooting years (30.1%, 31.3%, and 29.1% last year). on the other he's had 5 above average to great years (38.3%, 39.2%, 39.7%, 41.3%, and 40.1%). and the bad seem to be sprinkled around randomly (1st, 4th, and 8th years).

the notion that he shot bad last year due to age or wear and tear doesn't hold water with me. if he had come down to 29% progressively over a few years, it might make sense, but age doesn't account for losing 11% on your shot over one offseason. plenty of good shooters have gotten old and they didn't just fall off a cliff one year never to return. age would show a gradual decline.

what seems to be the case is you don't really know what you're going to get from fisher each season. he'll either be well above average or he'll be pretty damn bad. his first bad season was followed by two good ones and the last bad one was followed by 3 good seasons. it could also be argued that losing his starting spot to payton and not knowing how he fit in anymore affected him last year. of course, come playoff time, nothing ever seems to affect him and he seems to go crazy from the 3 point line then (which is of course a nice bonus).

i say he's due to bounce back again and have another solid shooting year, and if he came here he'd get plenty of open chances to succeed. and his lack of defense is both overrated and less important than the ability to knock down big shots. if he doesn't want too much, he is definitely a nice fall back after losing barry.

 

NO! No, no, no! Don't wait til next year! There's no one to wait for!

 

Well, that article indicates that our chances at Daniels are probably dead after the Barry debacle.

SO... let's analyze why the Rockets wanted Daniels, whom almost no one around here had on their radar. What kind of player is he, and who might be available that's from the same mold?

 

yes...his name is Luke Ridnour and last year they were saying how impressed they were with him and that he was their future starting PG. We probably still have a chance for Daniels as long as the Sonics can find a decent backup PG/SG

 

micah1j and me are "almost no one"?

http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=1413986#post1414090

Sheesh, no respect.

 

Sonics also have Ronald Murray who played some PG last year. Along with Ridnour, they really don't need Daniels. Maybe we can still get him.

 

Daniels is sort of like a more athletic Alvin Williams. Combo guard, some point guard skills, sort of a tweener. Not a great shooter, but decent. Good athlete, good defender, takes good care of the ball.

Alvin Williams is out of the picture. Too injury prone.

I think that Eric Snow is the best option now. He's the best basketball player I think we have a chance at, and considering that we'll be overpaying for ANY free agent we bring in, we may as well overpay for a PF/C (who cost more anyway) and trade for a PG.

By the way, I'd just like to remind you that the TE for Battie idea is just that; an idea. A good idea, by the way, but not a rumor. Not something that we should seriously expect to happen. Just an idea posted on a message board. Then again, it was only an idea when GATER posted the Steve for T-Mac trade, so you never know.

 

luke ridnour ...

And yea, nothing > crap. hell, we could have bobo the monkey running the point and it'll be all good as long as it's taking the vet min.

 

Uhh... who are you again?

Hmm... so if Daniels is a combo guard and not really KNOWN for his shooting or defense, my guess is that the Rockets are looking to NOT get hamstrung on oldsters with fat contracts. They're looking for youth and bargain. I guess that's a pretty good plan... who knows, Lue might even surprise us.

But... I'd feel pretty stupid starting 3/5 of the NBA's worst team from last year... even if they were the better 3/5.

 

Look, to reiterate on the A. Daniels point... if we traded them MoT, whom they actually claimed to be interested in a few years ago, for Daniels and Booth's bad contract (possibly throwing in a future 1st), their functional roster would look like this:

Ridnour, Murray
Allen, Murray
Lewis, Radmanovic
MoT, Collison, Evans
crap center, crap center, crap center (Swift, Potapenko, James)

Not impossible, because they have 3 quality guards. But I don't see it as likely either. Had Barry stayed it was probably a sure thing.

 

Wonder what number CHARLIE "FREAKING" WARD will be wearing this year for the Rockets?

 

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Originally posted by Deuce
What the hell happened to all of this talk that Free Agents were banging down the Rockets door?!?! I thought for sure we would snag a solid one.


Dawson wants to wait till it quiet down so that he can have his choice pickings among the scrubs.