Can someone tell me why he hasn't been tested or doesn't want to test himself or the league doesn't test him? Yahoo News - Report: Bonds began using steroids, vast array of other drugs in 1998 "Just look at me, guys... does this look like the body of a woman who used steroids?" = I don't have to see "SportsCenter" (mainly 'cuz I don't have cable ) but I know that ain't the body of a normal man. Heck, even the Hulkster doesn't look that big and HE took enhancers that would now be considered illegal in the MLB.
lol. Damn, that's a sick picture. You do know that if you abuse steriods your body stops producing natural testosterone. Barry could in fact be turning into a woman.
Exactly - if everybody was cheating (what was the number Caminiti said, 90%?) then who cares? Sounds l ike a level playing field to me - same same in cycling with Armstrong.
Performance enhancing drugs have been a major part of baseball for the past 60 years or so. How much of Charlie Hustle's hustle came from those little green pills? Babe Ruth played in a segregated MLB, how much should we devalue his accomplishments?
I'm not saying barry didn't do roids, but the photo comparisons are kind of silly. dude played for the pirates 15 years ago. if you are gonna do that pull a pictue from 98 or 97 and compare it to 2000 or something. if you look at 92 bulls jordan and 00 wizards jordan, by your reasoning jordan was on steroids.
Did you not watch TV or listen to the radio after McGwire testified? The Palmeiro stuff went on for days. I turned on ESPN this morning wanting to hear more about this Bonds stuff (1 day later), but the lead was the NBA, of all things. Again, who else is chasing the homerun record? I can't think of anyone other than Bonds.
i agree with you buck. madmax has had some great posts in here, i think i pretty much agree with most of them. look, i've suspected roids to be in the league for years. fact is, it's tarnished the sport for me. i put the blame on MLB and the player's union, whose complicity has allowed this to spiral out of control. i'm glad all this is coming out though but agree that bond's is unfairly bearing the brunt of the backlash. bonds was the best player in baseball before griffey was touted as such. then came the mcguire homerun derby. bonds topped that. i think the guy has actually been underrated most of his career and his poor relationship with the media has belied the fact that he cares tremendously what people think of him. i think all the records should stand. it will just be another irreconcilable debate about players from different eras. i assume most of the top players juiced. i don't personally like bonds but i won't make him the scapegoat.
I agree, that's silly to show the pictures, and all. But yours is not a fair comparison, pgabriel. You're saying Jordan was using steroids because of a jump in, what, 40 pounds or maybe 60? Barry has added 200. The comparison in body sizes is Jordan size A to size D, while Bonds whent A to H or maybe K. What? He looks like a monster. I would expect wrestlers to do that, but not baseball players and much less basketball players. Am I wrong in saying that? rookie card with Pirates middle of Giants career I would LOVE to have his weight stats through the seasons, and along with the HR records. I am sorry, MadMax, but I will have to disagree with your statement on how "everyone was probably using"... I don't know why, but that doesn't seem right... even the smaller players were using or abusing?
then why do you keep posting pictures of bonds when he was a skinny kid? every guy especially pro athletes are going to be much skinnier at 21 than 35. if you think this book proves anything you're just another sucker.
It's FAST, is all. TOO FAST. All I am saying is that it is FREAK to get THAT BIG. Why M I a sucker? Because I see he bulked up abnormally? an even smaller piece of the excerpt:
So because he is chasing a record he deserves more than others? McGuire got a lot of heat, for a few days. Raf got a lot of heat for a month or two. Bonds got heat when the whole steroid thing started, when McGuire was getting his and Raf too, and he continues to get it to this day. As Max said nobody has gotten it worse than Bonds.
LOL - I laughed when I read "myself" post that... I meant that as an exaggeration... So do you all want me to post the entire excerpt, or should I quit? I know ya'll want to read it. It's easy reading for high-school level.
There is great, great irony involved here. Bonds is the best player in baseball; In 98, the Mac & Sammy travelling HR juice derby creates a fan & media driven circus - they are celebrated, praised & said to have "saved baseball"; Fans & media turn a blind eye to allegations of impropriety; Bonds begins using steroids as a direct result of said fan & media driven circus; Bonds surpasses the amazing achievments of Mac & Sammy; Bonds is shown to have used the same methods to achieve success as Mac (definitively) & Sammy (allegedly) did; Bonds is pilloried by the same fans & media that praised the other two. Hypocrites.
Here are Barry's home run stats by year: 1987 - 25 1988 - 24 1989 - 19 1990 - 33 1991 - 25 1992 - 34 1993 - 46 (First year with San Francisco) 1994 - 37 1995 - 33 1996 - 42 1997 - 40 1998 - 37 1999 - 34 2000 - 49 2001 - 73 2002 - 46 2003 - 45 2004 - 45 2005 - 5
That's the misconception that everybody has - "Well so and so didn't turn into Schwartzenegger overnight, so he's not using steroids" along with "so and so just lifted a lot, that's why he gained muscle". Steroids and GH aren't just useful to pack on muscle mass, though they do help with that - their anabolic properties can help for a variety of reasons - specifically to help rehab from injuries more quickly. Just because you use steroids or GH doesn't mean you're going to look like Mr Olympia.
if his mistress said he had then it could be considered because mistress' never lie............ swoly d are you saying a guy in his 30's can't weigh 25 pounds more than he did when he was 21?
