How do we know he wasn't using another type of steroid? How do we know he wasn't able to maintain, even without steroids, some of that massive increase in muscle mass?
bonds homers impress me. what impresses me more is his plate discipline and his on base percentage. barry bonds has been a GREAT player his entire career. it sucks that he did this crap, because it will certainly tarnish his accomplishments. but it doesn't for me. it just doesn't. i think most MLB players, pitchers and hitters, are cheating all the time, using every advantage they can get.
That mansion question was dumb. Who gives out mansions to employees? Hey, thanks Mr. Gardener, here's a mansion. Of course, instead of pointing out how ridiculous the question was, Barry gives an even more ridiculous answer.
Bonds has been a great player his entire career, you're right. However, due to this recent admission of use of steroids, his homerun record is completely tarnished, and in my opinion should be stricken from the record books. This admission doesn't tarnish his accomplishments to you? How can you say that??? He cheated. According to your logic, if everyody cheats, it's ok? Wow. Lawyers, gotta love em.
i didn't say it's ok. i didn't say i would do it. and i certainly wouldn't encourage it. i'm not justifying it at all. but MLB is made up of cheaters. it just is. relative to that...against that backdrop...barry has kicked ass in a way like we've never seen. i have no idea how many pitchers he faced were doing steroids or cheating in some way...i have no idea how many other hitters were doing the exact same thing he was. relative to his era, which is the only way i know how to judge players, bonds has been far and away the best. now, i would agree with you that the whole era gets tainted when compared to other eras. but, having said that, there are reasons to taint virtually every era of baseball. thanks for the lawyer smack, though. i should have expected that, TJ...i mean bigtexxx.
Nice, TheFreak and bigtexxx bringing personal insults to one of the nicest guys on the board. I've come to expect it from the twins, but I'm surprised by TheFreak. I'm disappointed with this news. I was always optimistic about it because I didn't want to believe that something like this would really go on. Of course, we all love football where you know guys are doping up every day, so I'm not really sure why we make such a big deal about it in baseball and not for football.
Maybe Bonds was better at using steroids. Maybe the way he used them was more effective than the way Sosa, Giambi, etc. utilized them. I doubt it was an even playing field.
why do you doubt that??? because you don't want it to be?? why would you assume that Bonds would have a "leg up" on steroid use that the other millionaires who play his game don't?
Well, it was Bonds's trainer that seemed to be getting all this stuff. It's possible he gave Bonds the better stuff than he gave the other guys. I am just speculatinng. But it really doesn't matter to me anyways if Bonds on steroids is better than Giambi on steroids. That's a meaningless accomplishment to me.
I agree with Max that Bonds is simply the greatest player in recent times...with or without steroids. The Drugs may give you an extra 10% (which is significant), but his accomplishments are so much more than what an average or very good player could achieve even with some turbo charging. But the 'everybody else does it' defence doesn't work for my two year old, doesn't work when i get pulled over for speeding, and rarely works in court. Just as Pete Rose has been banned from the HOF despite his play...Barry should take a fall here. He hasn't admitted anything yet...still clinging to the notion that he didn't know what it was...but if they do nail him with this...no records for him. He cheated and got caught. End of story. Doesn't matter if he would'a been great anyways.
i think that's probably right bnb. but the witch hunt better not stop at bonds. i think that keeps him, sammy, mac, giambi and whoever else out of the hall, as well.
Not to defend Barry, but I think all the HR "records" this past decade should be *d. Does anyone think that Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Griffey, Thomas, etc haven't been using "enhancers"? Only Arod would get a "possibly-not" imo.
This wouldn't be as big an issue if the MLB implemented a serious anti-doping policy. It disgusts me that these sporting institutions look the other way on much of this doping and that the athletes and coaches are conspiring to use them. This isn't just about Bonds, Giambi, Romo and Jones. This deceit, cheating and corruption is part of these sports' cultures and institutions.
On a perhaps not so related note...isn't there some way he could have avoided anwering a grand jury question of this sort? Seems he's forced to implicate himself...with serious ramifications for him...for a case in which he was not the accused. Can't he 'not recall'...plead the fifth...decline to participate...or SOMETHING??? My legal knowledge is limited to nightly doses of Law and Order, but it doesn't seem quite right that he's being forced to hang himself when he's acting as a witness, and not really on trial?
If it was up to the owners, there would be a very strict policy. The Players' Assocation blocks a lot of sensible proposals.
Doubt it. Owners were OK with the Sosa/Mac HR derby. Owners are OK with Bonds. They like the bigger-than-life super-sized players. Lot's of blame to go around here.
