Barack Obama says Democrats need to avoid being a 'buzzkill'

That's an opinion piece, and the NYT likes to play contrarian.

There is nothing Democrats can really do about the Republican narrative because it's pretty much untruths and inflating issues.

They talk about that article on here I really don't like this narrative that Democrats need to be spoon-fed simple things to make them go out and vote, when she says Democrats need to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, that means the party and the voters.




The biggest difference between Democratic voters and Republican voters is Democrats seem to look for the negative in the party, and Republicans want to cheer everything on about their party.

Democrats also are more prone to doom and gloom.

 

Yes the NYT does like to play contrarian and David Brooks is more of an old school conservative and isn't really a Democrat. I caught a bit of that Morning Joe segment and they are right that this is simplistic narrative the targets though aren't Democrats. It's not about winning over Minneapolis, inside the Loop Houston or the Austin. This is about winning at the margins. And this election like many recent one's will be decided by the margins.

I can also agree with you that to an extent that yes Democrats do look for negatives in the party. I think that has to do with that the party is far more ideologically divided than Republicans. A party that includes both AOC and Joe Manchin is going to have some big divides and the progressive wing and the moderate wing frequently take shots at each other. Compare that to Republicans where there are MJT's and Mitt Romneys. The Republican party is purging those who actively oppose the party line like Liz Cheney. Mitt Romney is isolated from much of the party. Yet even there you still see Republicans bellyaching a lot about RINO's.

 

The main point that I'm saying and I think Obama and Brooks are is that the Democrats needed to find some coherent and easily understood message. As the Brooks piece noted Republicans like Kari Lake have found a way to tie together a series of disparate issues (homelessness, crime, fear of LGBT, inflation, the last election, immigration) into a coherent message. It was largely Trump's message too. Now many of us can agree that it is a terrible message that is simplistic and divisive, but it is easily understood.

The Democrats should match that with a message that ties together things like wealth disparity, climate change, DACA, minority rights, voting rights, and abortion into a coherent message that is easily delivered. I'm not sure how to do that and will even concede it might not even be possible.

 

I would say that is a very inherent traits of the GOP while more fleshed discourse and disagreement within the party is a inherent trait of the Democrat party and really there is nothing we can do about it.

Liberal/leftist policies are just harder to frame in easily digestible simplistic content. It also doesn't help that many of the progressives' policy agendas won't see benefits to citizens in quarterly gsp reports in the next election cycle and takes years to reap the benefits like early childhood education funding. So it's hard for Democrats to point to current numbers and tell the public that their policies will work.


And that is the inherent issue with the nation. We can only see as far ahead as the next election cycle when it comes to policy. It's very difficult to try to pass policy that addresses things that take years to develop its fruits. It's the reason why climate change policy discussion for the past two decades have been so toxic. One side only sees things as far as the next midterms, the other side carss about what happens to us 40 years from now.

 

Is it really a coherant message about all those things or is just about fear mongering and hating on the Democrats?

This is a prie example you think Democrats need to have a message that ties things together when somebody in this verry thread thinks we need to have a simplified message I think you message to your constituency and remind people what you have done and in contrast to what Republicans have done or not done what they promised.

 

These agit prop infographics are very neatly packaged and convenient. But it also is a sign that you don't source your own information and just meme scroll. Anyways I just started with the first person there which was Fauci and couldn't find that quote from him. If you can direct me that will be great.

 

You’re absolutely right that only idiots follow tv people whose chief motivation is to rile up their viewers.

But that’s why almost no liberals follow anyone like that - the left equivalent (in terms of tone, the amount of misinformation and viewership) to Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity doesn’t exist. Liberal voters by and large aren't motivated by media figures.

Meanwhile, the number of conservatives who hang on every word said by conservative muckrakers is in the millions. And they vote how they’re told.

That you are so bad at discerning the difference between the two sides is exactly why you’d support someone like Bernie but then vote for Trump - the policies and leadership styles of these two men could not be more opposite.

 

You're a failure in every sense of the word. No wonder why your parents hate you

 

Lots of people have parents who hate them, and it often says more about the parents than the child.

But being disliked by everyone on a message board is particularly sad. Literally everyone here hates you.

 

child is father to the man.

Spoiler

 

No, they don't. That's a fallacy. That being said, I wouldn't care who likes me on the internet. It tells me everything I need to know about you that that matters more to you than being disliked by your parents.


You and your friends are a bunch of liberal p*****s

 

Democrats definitely need to talk more about what they’ve done and are doing than just fear mongering of Republicans. This is where I think some sort of “promises made, promises kept message” should be used.

 

I don’t recall Fauci making an absolutist statement like that he did make statements that did say that the vaccine would likely prevent new infections and that they appeared over 90% effective. 90% effective though doesn’t mean 100% and even back in the early 2021 he was acknowledging that there would be breakthrough infections and also did raise the possibility that there would be a need for annual vaccinations to keep up with variants and or waning immunity.

 

Why are you replying to him here? It encourages him. He's spewing hot air that's all. It's okay. I don't know what's up with his personal life but it's best just to ignore him in these particular instances. He doesn't know anyone's parents' situations here lol. He's just being an edgelord. Don't take his insults seriously.

 

It’s pretty funny though that a guy who supposedly owns a successful business, yet spends most of his free time in the middle of the night insulting random people here.

 

Watching morning news shows and on Face the Nation they had a focus group of voters including a Democrat, a Republican and an independent all who are parents. Some warning signs for Democrats was that all agreed that inflation was bad and that the government wasn’t doing enough to address it.

The Democrat also said that she felt too much was being done to help immigrants while not helping people here already. That politicians where helping who they wanted and not everyone. That view is similar to replacement theory even though the voter was an African American woman. Actually aid to immigrants is very small when compared to over all spending on things like WIC, Medicare and Medicaid. If the Democrat voters themselves are not aware of that and accepting the line pushed by the Right that immigration is a net negative that is a failure of Democratic messaging.

 

I actually have him blocked but that one made it through. I just took a slightly guilty pleasure in turning his insult around on him - it was more about my amusement than anything else.