I'm not uncomfortable at all with the idea of interracial dating, but racists are which was the whole point of the ad. And the ad was universally denounced as racist, was removed from the air and inspired a disavowal from the Corker campaign. Your denial is beneath you.
Exactly. Just like admitting that Obama is a Muslim or black is in no way racist unless you first assume that being a Muslim or black is inherently bad -- an assumption that Batman and others are all too willing to put forth (sadly). Who's the racist one here? Yup, the libs.
please, again. the ad was denounced universally by democrats. others may have objected to the ad, or suggested it was politically expedient to remove it, but it was not racist- TJ's point is dead on. you must first assume the content of the ad is objectionable, and your false outrage only diminishes real racism where it occurs.
The ad was racist. Get over it already. To argue otherwise is just plain silly. Mandingo Mandingo is a 1975 film, based on the book Mandingo by Kyle Onstott, about an African slave in the 1840s United States who is trained as a prize fighter by his owner. The owner is unaware that his neglected wife is having an affair with his best fighter, which leads to the film's tragic conclusion. The film is controversial for its depictions of racism, nudity, incest, sadism, and infanticide.
No, not really. I just think it points to an internal bias of the ruling class (rich white men). And he was assasinated (I know, not because he was Catholic) and have not had another in 40+ years (I know, Kerry being Catholic had less to do with him losing than him completely sucking). Well, obviously Kerry lost so that would not matter. Further, Bush was a weak opponent. If the Repubs drag up someone better then some of those states could be much closer and even moderates can be swayed by "he is Muslim!". It does not have to be straight racism (sexism, religion-ism), you now. Again, it is a different election and different environment. Obviously, things swung hard Dem the last go-round so who knows. Again, at this point Obama is the only candidate in any party I would definitely vote for just because I am a racist and he is black. I don't know all of his views but nothing I have heard sounds too crazy. He is also the only candidate right now that would really be fun to listen to in debates and the like.
Says the hypocrite who was furiously (and mistakenly) insisting that George "macaca" Allen's middle name wasn't Felix and, furthermore, that it was only a case of "liberals" trying to play up his Jewish ancestry. After all, you must first assume that being Jewish is objectionable. Your false outrage in the George "macaca" Allen episode only diminishes real racism where it occurs. So, now we all know you're an anti-semite.
There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim, but Obama isn't one. He is a Christian. And the only reason you lie about his religion is because you know that there are others that share your xenophobia. There is likewise, obviously, nothing wrong with being black. There is, however, something wrong with your racist insinuations that he isn't black enough. There is also something horribly wrong with basing your entire opposition to a candidate on lies and innuendo about his race and religion as you have done consistently here. You're a racist, you're a xenophobe and you're a dick. And there is something wrong with you.
nice job colt45, good catch. Basso is a notorious Felix-baiter, which confounds Latin communities in which the name is common.... "it's only a racist if you think something bad about a certain race" is a tool that racists and race-ass clowns use everywhere use to oh-so-coyly justify stereotypes and slurs. Pretty lame, in my opinion.
TJ's point is "dead on?" It is amazing how low your Bush love has brought you. The guys that made the ad paid a white actress to pretend she had had a fling with Harold Ford, a black man who had never met her. That wasn't an accident and you know it. The insinuation was that Ford was the sort of guy who had relations with white women. It was made to appeal to racists in a state with a racist history and you know it. Arguing the merits of the ad with someone who willfully refuses to acknowledge the obvious here is a stupid waste of time. Obama's thing in the Ford campaign was pandering -- a wink to black people who have been historically woefully underrepresented in Congress. That is all. Yes, the message was vote for Ford because he's black. But in a Congress with so incredibly few minorities, that is not in any way the same as 'vote for Corker because he's white.' And you know that too. If Obama runs the same appeal will be made sometimes -- help elect the first black president. And in a country that's never elected a minority (as Tennessee had never sent one to the Senate), that is not the same as vote for McCain (or whomever) because he's white. If you're going to play dumb about all this stuff I'm not going to waste my time with you.
Well, sure. And (no offense, but) duh. As you acknowledged, his assassination had zero to do with his religion so I don't know why you brought it up. No, we haven't had another Catholic since then, but is there anyone in America that would seriously posit that we're not "ready" for a Catholic president? It matters because the Dem candidate in 08 only needs Kerry's states plus one. You also acknowledged that Kerry was a horrible candidate, so I'm not sure what's meant by the idea of the GOP running a stronger candidate than Bush. Both parties will be fielding stronger candidates in 08 than in 04. That's a natural fact. That being what it is, I repeat my questions: 1. Do you think that even one of Kerry's states from 04 will go red on account of Obama being black or HRC being a woman? And, if so, which one? 2. Do you find it inconceivable that a black or a woman could pick off just one additional state when several traditionally red states turned blue just last month? Cool. As heartily as I disagree with your assessment of this nation's relative readiness for a woman or minority president, I will admit this: It is minorities that have experienced racism up close and personal (and, as the spouse of one, I'd put you in here too) that seem the most skeptical about the idea of America voting for a black guy. I don't sniff at that and admit that I, as a white guy, might be off the mark with regard to where we're at in this country on race.
this is the same logic that southerners used to justify segregation. instead of arguings the facts on the ground you argue technicalities. instead of realizing that the south was segregating black folks we relegate the argument to a question on state's rights instead of the fact that the white man in the south was racist. refer to senator russell and even lbj in the early days of the senate. in fact lbj's argument was that if you want to protect the minority you should protect the southern white man whos a minority in the country. your bs about how if you want to end racism you should stop acknowledging it when it occurs is the same. disgusting.
Several people have posted links here showing his middle name IS Felix. You've posted nothing to the contrary except your say so. And, as you know, your say so is worth less than nothing on a board where you have been proven wrong so very many times. Several people have also posted expressing confusion as to how a Latino name was supposed to tar Allen with his Jewish ancestry. And, again, you have posted nothing other than your say so to contradict the idea that Felix is not some kind of anti-Semitic buzz word. Further, the ONLY person in the Allen-Webb race that expressed the idea that being Jewish was somehow a bad thing was Allen himself. He was asked to speak to his Jewish roots and he said he wouldn't respond to slander and that he loved ham sandwiches. In this, he proved himself to be almost as dumb on these sorts of issues as you daily prove yourself to be.
bull****e- the ad was an attempt to portray Ford as a playboy. it was clumsy, slightly funny, but not racist. i never said it was the same as vote for corcker because he's white- nice strawman tho. i object to voting for anyone because they're any color. you should too. you're right, it was pandering, but it's a particularly objectionable kind of pandering. I'll be delighted when the first black, woman, hispanic, asian is elected president- it's long past time. but let's elect them because they're the best person for the job. pandering on the basis of race or sex does all of us a disservice. we should judge all the candidates by the content of their character...
in basso's defense im sure even he could keep a double digit margin with millions more than the opponant and only a few months to go in a race.
i don't think you'll find much on this board to show i supported allen- to the contrary, i've called him an idiot, and i'm just as glad he's gone. my point was it's hypocritical to only call out one side on name calling, ala olberman and Barak Hussein Obama, w/o denouncing the same thing elsewhere. it's odd how you continue to defend and excuse behavior you so readily denounce in others.
It is an insult to the intelligence of everyone on this board to suggest that the choice of a white woman to deliver that message -- in historically racist Tennessee -- was arbitrary. Just shut up already. While I agree that race ought not to be the primary reason for voting for someone, when we live in a country that has elected 43 white, male presidents and zero that were not white males it is beyond stupid to call the desire to elect blacks to office objectionable.
