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"Barack Obama could not win the presidency" -Hillary

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Democratic infighting continues....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04032008/news/nationalnews/baracks_a_lost_cause__hill_104814.htm

BARACK'S A LOST CAUSE: HILL
VAIN BID TO WIN RICHARDSON'S SUPPORT
By CHARLES HURT, Bureau Chief

April 3, 2008 --

WASHINGTON - While lobbying for his endorsement, Hillary Rodham Clinton flatly told New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson that Barack Obama could not win the presidency if he got the Democratic nomination.

"He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win," she said, according to a report by ABC News.

Clinton Would Sweep McCain in Fla., Pa., Ohio: Poll

Obama: I'm the Underdog, Not Hillary

Despite her appeal, Richardson ultimately endorsed Obama - which sent Bill Clinton into a purple rage last weekend during a private meeting with California superdelegates.

"Five times to my face [Richardson] said that he would never do that," the former president thundered.

One of the roughly 15 superdelegates in attendance told the San Francisco Chronicle, "It was one of the worst political meetings I have ever attended."

Bill Clinton's tirade was triggered when Rachel Binah, a superdelegate who had supported Richardson's campaign, said she regretted that Bill's former top aide, James Carville, had called the governor a "Judas."

Others attending the meeting, assembled hastily during the state party convention in San Jose, confirmed the exchange but tried to soften the description of Bill's anger.

It was "very good, very intense," said undeclared superdelegate Christine Pelosi, the daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

"The word 'tirade' may be used differently out here than in the rest of the country," said Chris Stampolis, who supports Clinton's presidential bid and also attended the meeting.

"There was not a single swear word, no screaming, no pounding on anything."

Tirade or not, it was harsh enough for California Democratic Party Chairman Art Torres to later call Binah and apologize on behalf of the former president.

During the meeting, superdelegates urged Bill Clinton to approach the undeclared delegates in a more balanced manner, the way he would approach independent voters in an election.

"We were all looking around the room like 'this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,' " Stampolis said. "We're having an actual debate - a dialogue - here. I came away very impressed."

After the meeting, Bill Clinton spoke to a larger crowd of California Democrats and advised that everyone needs to "chill out."

In other campaign news yesterday, former Indiana Congressman and 9/11 Commission co-chairman Lee Hamilton endorsed Obama, praising his ability to transcend partisan divides and calling his foreign-policy stance "pragmatic, visionary and tough."

The endorsement adds to Obama's foreign-policy credentials and is especially important because Indiana is one of the few primary states that hasn't yet voted.

Also, Obama said yesterday he would ask former Vice President Al Gore to play a key role in his administration with respect to global-warming issues.

churt@nypost.com

#1 bigtexxx, Apr 3, 2008

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How is that "infighting"? The quote is something that Hillary told Bill Richardson while trying to get his endorsement, not a public statement. Hillary is campaigning, big news.

#2 bucket, Apr 3, 2008
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bucket said:

How is that "infighting"? The quote is something that Hillary told Bill Richardson while trying to get his endorsement, not a public statement. Hillary is campaigning, big news.
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Apparently there's a meme out this morning that's contradicting the story and now the Clinton Camp is accusing Richardson as the one who said he couldn’t win.

Now why would someone say Obama couldn’t win and then endorse him?

#3 mc mark, Apr 3, 2008
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Based on my understanding, Richardson promised Bill Clinton that he wouldn't endorse anyone until the primaries are over. He broke that promise, that's why Bill was furious with him.

Later reporters asked Richardson about it. He answered he never promised to endorse Hillary.

In this episode, I think both versions of events are true. But Richardson did break a promise. It is understandable that Bill is angry.

#4 ymc, Apr 3, 2008
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Bill C never ever broke promises. LOL

#5 B-Bob, Apr 3, 2008
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ymc said:

Based on my understanding, Richardson promised Bill Clinton that he wouldn't endorse anyone until the primaries are over. He broke that promise, that's why Bill was furious with him.

Later reporters asked Richardson about it. He answered he never promised to endorse Hillary.

In this episode, I think both versions of events are true. But Richardson did break a promise. It is understandable that Bill is angry.
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Oh, thanks for clearing that up...

#6 Achilleus, Apr 3, 2008
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Oh, thanks for clearing that up...

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hey you have to appreciate having a poster on the board who knows exactly what was promised.

#7 pgabriel, Apr 3, 2008

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bigtexxx said:

Democratic infighting continues....
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What do you care? No confident in McCain huh?

#8 cson, Apr 3, 2008
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Well, he sure can raise money...

Sen. Barack Obama raised better than $40 million for his presidential campaign in the month of March alone, bringing his total raised for the first three months of 2008 to a staggering $134 million.

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Obama's fundraising machine continues to churn at historic levels. In March alone, 218,000 new donors contributed to Obama's campaign and a total of 442,000 people contributed to the campaign in the last month -- a reflection of the massively broad fundraising pool from which the Illinois Senator is drawing.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thef...on_haul_and_wha.html?nav=rss_email/components
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According to the article, the Clinton campaign refused to release their numbers.

#9 rimrocker, Apr 3, 2008
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Well, he's still drawing support from Super delegates...

Obama Catches Clinton in Support From Superdelegate Lawmakers

By Nicholas Johnston and Lorraine Woellert
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=a1x33cpzAa4Y#

April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama has pulled even with Hillary Clinton in endorsements from top elected officials, with a surge in support from congressional freshmen and governors from Republican-dominated states.

Obama yesterday won the backing of Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal, who became the sixth head of a Republican-leaning state to come out for him in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. In the past week, Obama picked up support from first-term Senators Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Bob Casey of Pennsylvania. Clinton, backed by two governors from Republican states, gained no superdelegates in that time.

Obama, 46, is endorsed by 16 U.S. House freshmen to Clinton's 6, and 40 percent of his congressional allies are from ``red states,'' or those that voted for President George W. Bush in 2004, compared with one-quarter for Clinton. That bolsters the Obama campaign's argument that he would have broader backing in the general election.

``If freshman Democrats in so-called `red states' and Barack Obama were not on the same page, I would think something is wrong,'' said Bernadette Budde, senior vice president of the Business-Industry Political Action Committee, a Washington-based group that works to elect pro-business lawmakers and hasn't endorsed a presidential candidate. ``He is the highest evolution of what the voters were looking for.''

The race for superdelegates -- elected and party officials who automatically receive votes at the national convention -- matters most to Clinton because she trails Obama in the pledged delegates awarded in primaries and caucuses. Among all delegates, Obama leads Clinton 1,634 to 1,500, according to the Associated Press, with 2,024 required to win; professional politicians make up about 20 percent of the total.

Vanishing Lead

Obama, an Illinois senator, has the support of 99 Democratic U.S. lawmakers and governors, compared with Clinton's 96 -- a dramatic turnabout since the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, when Clinton, a New York senator, had more than double Obama's support within this group, 91 to 43.

Clinton leads Obama by four lawmakers and governors if those from Michigan and Florida are counted; the two states held primaries in violation of party rules and were stripped of both superdelegates and delegates picked by voters. The party has been unable to resolve how to count their delegates.

Clinton, 60, who has argued for the importance of experience in a presidential candidate, is supported by some of the most experienced chairmen in the House of Representatives, including John Dingell of Michigan, Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Charles Rangel of New York.

Veteran Chairmen

The seven House chairmen who back Clinton have been in Congress an average of 24 years. Dingell, 81, who was first elected in 1955, is the nation's longest-serving House member. Obama has the support of five committee chairmen.

Among all House members who have endorsed a candidate, Clinton supporters are an average of four years older than Obama backers and have been in Congress three years longer.

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said superdelegates comprise a broad swath of party officials, not just lawmakers elected to a particular office. ``There is no single metric by which to judge the final outcome,'' Singer said.

Clinton has the support of 250 of the 794 superdelegates; Obama has 220, according to the AP.

Freshmen lawmakers who support Obama said his candidacy shares a lot of the characteristics of their 2006 campaigns, which swept Democrats into congressional majorities.

``Many of us came in as a new breath of fresh air,'' said Representative Tim Walz of Minnesota.

The People's Will

Walz endorsed Obama after his congressional district backed the candidate in the state's Feb. 5 caucuses. ``I went with the will of the people,'' he said.

Carol Shea-Porter, a first-term Democrat from New Hampshire, said she also noticed similarities, such as the enthusiasm Obama engenders in voters.

``So many people want a seat at the table,'' she said.

Obama's tally includes Senator Russell Feingold of Wisconsin, who hasn't officially endorsed either candidate yet has said he voted for Obama in the state's Feb. 19 primary.

Clinton's total includes Senator Barbara Boxer of California, who has said she will cast her vote in favor of the winner of her state's Feb. 5 primary, which was Clinton, while remaining neutral in the race.

The tallies also include the delegate votes that Obama and Clinton could cast for themselves, while excluding Washington, D.C.'s two shadow senators, who aren't federal officials. Washington's congressional delegate, Obama supporter Eleanor Holmes Norton, who can vote in committee and participate in floor debates, is counted.

Remaining Contests

Ten contests remain in the race for the Democratic nomination, including elections in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana.

In addition, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has been trying to settle the disputes over the Florida and Michigan delegations.

Dean met yesterday with Florida officials to discuss ways in which the state's delegates can be included when the party holds its convention in August. They reached no agreement.
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THere is something truly offensive about $200M plus being spent on campaigns. (I'm guessing Hillary and McCain raised at least $66m between them). That's messed up.

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Only the Democrats could blow this opportunity.

Could we get a third party not run by nut jobs?

#12 Smokey, Apr 3, 2008
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I guess that means Hillary wouldn't accept a VP slot under Obama.

#13 count_dough-ku, Apr 3, 2008

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B-Bob said:

Bill C never ever broke promises. LOL
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Or wedding vows.

#14 Refman, Apr 3, 2008
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B-Bob said:

Bill C never ever broke promises. LOL
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LOL indeed.

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mc mark said:

Apparently there's a meme out this morning that's contradicting the story and now the Clinton Camp is accusing Richardson as the one who said he couldn’t win.

Now why would someone say Obama couldn’t win and then endorse him?
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Because Judas has a history of making fantastic and utterly wrong lies.

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mc mark said:

Apparently there's a meme out this morning that's contradicting the story and now the Clinton Camp is accusing Richardson as the one who said he couldn’t win.

Now why would someone say Obama couldn’t win and then endorse him?
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This is unbelievable. Please post a link for this. If true, Hillary's campaign continues to shoot itself.

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This is unbelievable. Please post a link for this. If true, Hillary's campaign continues to shoot itself.
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http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/03/source-richardson-said-obama-cant-win/

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This is really getting weird --

Richardson Spokesman: He Never Said Obama Can't Win

A spokesperson for Bill Richardson is adamantly denying what top Hillary confidantes told Mark Halperin and me this morning, claiming that the New Mexico governor never...

(a) Promised not to endorse Obama; and

(b) Questioned Obama's chances in the general election.

"The Governor never promised that he wouldn’t endorse Obama," Richardson spokesperson Pahl Shipley emails me. “The Governor has never questioned Senator Obama’s electability. He believes Barack Obama is the right person to lead this country and he will be America’s next President."

So there you have it.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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rimrocker said:

According to the article, the Clinton campaign refused to release their numbers.
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$20 million for march

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