Throwing out continuous insults isn't winning this debate or changing the fact that your opinion is wrong on HK democracy. Colonialists ~ what is this 1807 !? At least throw a 'neo' in there -- though that would be incorrect as well.
You're the moron who stated that HK would welcome the British back. Now that you have been repeatedly repudiated, you're trying to change your position. Just calling you out on that. Besides, if you are so wrong about whether HK wants the British back or not, then since when were you capable of judging whether an opinion concerning HK democracy is right? BTW, HK was a Crown Colony, so by definition the UK were colonialists. I have no idea what the hell you're getting at there.
Since when does someone deserve language like this for giving his opinion in a civil way? You two sound like a couple of middle school boys arguing on the playground. If you want to be taken seriously, you might consider debating with facts, and leave the insults at the curb. D&D. Civil is more than a Word.
Let's put it this way: if someone walked up to you and said "Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth" would you be inclined to answer civilly? I imagine not. The statement that HK would prefer the British back is comparable in ludicrousness as the above statement.
So what do you think about the KingCheetah's insult on the 7 million Hong Kong people that they would rather be ruled by foreign colonialists?
As big as an insult from you that 7 million HK people would rather be ruled by foreign colonialists? You are the first one who threw out insult in this thread but now you are crying about it. Even the British called Hong Kong a crown colony before they left on 7/1/1997. So what do you call them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong "Hong Kong was a crown colony of the United Kingdom from 1842 until the transfer of sovereignty to the People's Republic of China in 1997" Lastly, let me give us another lesson in Hong Kong history. China ceded the Hong Kong island to Britian in 1842 after the first Opium War in the Treaty of Nanking. And then China ceded the Kowloon peninsula to Britian (south of Boundary Street and Stonecutter's Island) in 1898 after the Second Opium War in the Convention of Peking. So there were no colonialists in Hong Kong in 1807. The colonialists came in 1842 and they left in 1997.
Clearly you are a communist sympathizer cloaked in the garb of anti-neocolonialism. To invite communism upon the democratic people of Hong Kong is the true insult.
What communism? Have you missed the blatant capitalism in China nowadays? What democracy? When in their history did HK EVER have democracy? I'll tell you the answer, NEVER. The British NEVER gave HK democracy. Now you expect us to simply blindly give them democracy when it is obvious that it is a neo-imperialist plot? China has thrown off the yoke of Western Imperialism, now you expect us to put it back on? Clearly you are a traitor who wants to sell out HK to the British cloaked in the garb of a "democracy advocate." You are no better than Puyi or Wang Jing Wei.
you most definitely have no idea what you're talking about. First and foremost, HKers have always considered themselves Chinese. They have always been proedud of their Chinese heritage and culture, just not as chauvinistic as some of the mainlanders. The HKers hate the Beijing political leaders in a manner Californians hate the Beltway politicians. The stridents HKers and Californians, in their own way, are not shy about voicing / publicizing their discontent w their political leaders.
Oh, so your logic is that someone is a communist sympathizer if he dislikes colonialism more than anything. Is that what you have learned in Logic 101? You are hypocritical to cry about insults when you are the first one to throw out insult in this thread and then start playing the name calling game now. How much lower can you get? There is undeniable political influence from the China government in Hong Kong but you know absolutely nothing about Hong Kong if you think Hong Kong is under communism now. I don't welcome communism but I hate colonialism more than anything. I have no problem with anyone criticizing about the progress of the democratization in Hong Kong. A lot of Hong Kong people are not satisfied with it either. But you are dumber than a rock if you take it to mean that Hong Kong people would welcome back the colonial rule. My stance is as clear as that. What is your stance? Is it still that Hong Kong people would rather be ruled by foreign colonialists? It's ironic that you throw out such an insult and preach such an idea today.
While I don't think you're deliberately being insulting I am mystified by your view that most people in Hong Kong would prefer the return of British rule. I have family in Hong Kong and have been there a a few times since the handover and I haven't seen anything that would indicate a longing for the Brits. A desire for democracy on the part of the people of Hong Kong doesn't mean a choice between the PRC and the UK.
I don't agree at all with KingCheetah's opinion on this but I don't think he was trying to be insulting. If you consider saying that the people of Hong Kong would prefer British rule as an insult then conversely claiming that those who support democracy in Hong Kong are working for western interest as insulting too. Both views are highly questionable.
Is there not an influx of communism occurring in HK right now? Will HK be more democratic or less democratic over the next 20 years? Was there not a strong movement towards democracy towards the end of Brit rule? Democracy vs. Communism is the point here.
Is that your best comeback? your lame tactic now is to portray the ones against colonialism as communist sympathizers. How much lower will you get after this name calling tactic? Why don't you reply to this, Kingcheetah? Sishir Chang says it the best here. I hope you have enough intelligence to understand it.
What do these questions have to do with your hypothesis that Hong Kong people would rather be ruled by the colonialists? People in Hong Kong will continue to push for democracy. People in Hong Kong will continue to protest if they don't feel the progress is up to their satisfaction. But whoever takes it to mean that Hong Kong people would rather be ruled by foreign colonialists are moronic. It's as simple as that.
What influx of communism? HK is as capitalist as ever. In fact we're letting them make more money than ever before. HK will probably stay the same over the next 20 years, as it has stayed basically the same over the past 10 years. "Strong movement towards democracy?" What? If by "strong movement towards democracy" you mean "The British brought it up and trumped it up at the last moment to cause trouble for China", then you'd be accurate. But you're making stuff up, as usual. "Democracy vs. Communism" is bogus. Western Imperialism vs. "Chinese Socialism" a.k.a. slightly modified capitalism is more like it. Democracy is so overrated. The West only supports democracies that do what they want i.e. THIS IS IMPERIALISM. We will not knuckle under to Western Imperialism, EVER.
