Technically 3407. I would support a revote, however, as some are asking for. If Bush does win the recount (which I pray he doesn't but it looks like he may) I sincerely hope Gore and his staff do challenge what happened in Florida. It would be a shame if the new President was elected by accident and the luck off a ballot wrongly done. If indeed people did mistakenly vote Buchanan, this could be 1000 or 2000 votes that could give Gore the Presidency that he deserves. REVOTE! REVOTE! REVOTE! ------------------ President of the Jason Collier police! Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
Does anyone else find it ironic that the candidate that was preaching less government interference and returning power to the American people might win because of a government institution that was designed to remove power from the people? Anyways, if there were any big problems in Florida we'll see them. Heck, through 19 counties, according to CNN, they've "found" 443 extra votes. Seems kind of weird that they'd just miss about twenty votes per county. ------------------ Who would've thought Don Nelson would pass up Olumide Oyedeji not once, not twice, but thrice?
How the F#@$ do you find 400 extra votes? It sounds like every state needs to revote... or next time use my new vote tracking system... completely web based and free, but the voter has to stare at ads while they fill out the ballot. j/k.
I would just fear that we'd spend days on end staring at an AOL "Loading Ballot" screen. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
LOL. This just in: a bunch of confused angry white men from Orange County voted for the ability to grow pot. They complained that they weren't aware of their mistaked b/c of glaucoma (sp.). I would say that those ballots weren't confusing... but 3200+ people, in a demo stronghold, voting for Pat B. seems like a stretch. ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but."
3200 votes, in a democratic strong hold, for Pat Buchanan, isnt a stretch. Its the freaking Green Mile And No one knows how I voted. Not that Im ashamed, but Ive always said that I am neither Democratic, nor Republican, or and Independant. My only bit of politics Ive ever offered up, was to state how I found it utterly absurd that Bush and his record on the chip program ("health assurance at a reduced rate for less fortunate children, ha ha ha get a better paying job"), the environment ("Pollution kills the environment??? Not my oil rigs. I dont believe in the green house affect.")his stance on not giving women the right to choose (and Im totally against abortion, I just dont feel that American should tell its women how to make such a difficult decision) and his record in Texas; was even remotely close in this race. That shouldn't tell anyone that I voted for GORE, and Not bush. What would make you assume such a thing? Assuming you assumed my earlier post was one defending Gore. ------------------ "I have amazing, powers of observation"...Pink [This message has been edited by Dreamshake (edited November 08, 2000).]
Dave Letterman just said that he is not confident that he voted correctly. We'd better let Connecticut revote, too. ------------------ Houston Sports Board The Anti-Bud Adams Page
That ballot is confusing. I saw it on the internet at CNNsi. It's impossible to explain how Buchanan got triple what he did in any other county. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like an irregularity and problem. Maybe nothing that can be done to fix it now, but clearly I could see people getting confused. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Not only did he get triple, but he got triple in a very Democratic county. If the situation were reversed, MadMax and 4chuckie would be b****ing just like they are right now. But, in all honesty, I'd probably be on their side as well. ------------------ "He was under more balls than a midget hooker."-Bobby Hill visit www.swirve.com
Did you see the ballots in question? One line of punch-holes down the middle with candidates names and arrows on either side. Why can't everyone use the method we use in my precinct (in Houston) where you insert the ballot and have a guidebook where you flip pages that highlight only the candidates' particular punch-holes for each individual race as you vote on them. It's easy to use and not confusing at all. Well maybe my description was confusing, but many of you know what I'm talking about, right? ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
West Palm Beach has a high number of registered independents. Buchanan pulled 5,000+ there in a previous election. Does the level of confusion of these supposed Gore voters tell anyone anything about the competence of his base?
NPR just reported that 16,000 ballots in W. Palm Beach have been thrown out because two candidates were selected. Is this another indication of a poor ballot? Do we have anyway to compare this 16,000 to other areas?
TheFreak A Low Blow. Rocket River Confusion is just that confusing Does not measure intellect, competence etc. Not IMO ------------------
Rocket River -- yeah, I know. How do they expect people to react when they are in effect saying that Gore voters can't understand a ballot? ------------------ Scared into the voting booth, terrified of the ballot.
More fuel to fire.... Florida's broadly worded election law allows either candidates or "electors"--that is, voters--to challenge the results because of misconduct, fraud or "any other cause or allegation, which, if sustained, would show the person other than the successful candidate was the person who should have been elected." Damn! That allows for mistakes people. A mistake happened in Palm Beach. The Supreme Court in Florida is Democratic by nature and could either toss out Florida (may be unconstitutional) or demand a revote (completely consititutional). Buchanan's vote wasn't the only surprise. The Socialist candidate received 302 votes, 17 times more than the county's number of registered Socialist voters. 12 Electors have not been faithful in the course of the electoral college. The most recent was in 1988. Believe it or not. It's basically legal to vote any way you want as an elector. Nobody can stop you. ------------------ humble, but hungry. [This message has been edited by PhiSlammaJamma (edited November 09, 2000).] [This message has been edited by PhiSlammaJamma (edited November 09, 2000).]
Some states allow for the elector to choose, others do not. It depends on the state law. Since the subject came up, I assume Florida does allow this. But it doesn't solve anything. The electors are chosen by the winning party, from the party faithful. I seriously doubt they would break ranks and cause more controversy. Even if one or two changed their mind, it wouldn't make a difference. And, I don't think the constitution does allow for a re-vote. It says the President must be decided by vote on the specific day. I don't think the founders ever anticipated a situation like this, where the vote was so close that it could be decided by one state -- and essentially one county -- with any number of irregularities that could shift the vote one way or another. In fact -- the system was supposed to allow for a vote by representatives (the electorate) chosen by the states. The system where the winning party chooses the entire state electorate came much later, so I'm not sure they could have anticipated a situation where there is essentially a tie in the vote of an entire block of 25 electorates. ------------------ Stay Cool...
Why can't the voting ballot have the same identical clear shape and design in every single precinct in America? The ballot and voting procedure would be the same, and hopefully clear & understandable. Only the candidates would change from district-to-discrict, etc. Is this too much to ask, or am I wishing for the tooth fairy here???? ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
According to the Washington post it would take three republican electors to change their vote, thus putting this election into the house of Reps. Bush would still win for that reason alone, but Lieberman has some pull in the house and things would get nasty. Anything is possible. All it takes is a conscious. And people sometimes feel like they must do the right thing, even Republicans. It has happened 12 times before. Any state would have an impact. Any elector from anywhere. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Think about how one elector could be consumed by power. It is so very possible DC. It could come down to just three people making a difference out of how many? A lot of people fall under pressure. It could happen. It is real if you ask me. Never underestimate greed, power, and conscious. They are more powerful than any system. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
A. Fu** you Freak. Sounds like you're getting nervous. There's no need for comments like that. I could say something about the vast majority of redneck hicks who probably voted for Bush if they found the time to stop having sex with their sister long enough to leave their wooden shack to venture into the big city (probably a town of 500), but I won't. B. I just heard on MSNBC that Florida Election law that all candidates should be listed on the same side. Now, I'm sure that someone will bring up the fact that a Democrat approved the ballot, but that doesn't really matter. The fact is, the ballots were confusing. Sure to the majority of us, they weren't. However, we were also looking for something confusing. Who knows how you would've felt the first time you'd seen the ballot had you not known it might be confusing? ------------------ "He was under more balls than a midget hooker."-Bobby Hill visit www.swirve.com
