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[Ball Don't Lie] Top 10 Small Forwards of the Last Decade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ParaSolid, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. larsv8

    larsv8 Member

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    Yea cause you can just go get a Kobe, Wade or Garnett whenever you want.
     
  2. wekko368

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that there was tension between him and Alston.

    And no, its not an exaggeration nor is it "haterade". Think about all the antics he pulled and ask yourself if any player in NBA history has ever been as cancerous to his team as McGrady was to the Rockets last year.
     
  3. wekko368

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    Can you?

    My point was that the "At his best, and at his healthiest, he has no limitations. No holes, nothing to work on, nothing to worry about" description of McGrady should not make you feel that he's a diamond in the rough. It's actually applicable to quite a few players in this league.

    And if you bothered to read my post in its correct context, you'd see that I was responding to a poster who felt that players who fit that description are a rarity.
     
  4. larsv8

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    They are a rarity...
     
  5. wekko368

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    If you're assuming they're playing at their best and are at their healthiest, complete players are not a rarity.

    Kobe Bryant
    Dwyane Wade
    Kevin Garnett
    Tim Duncan
    Ron Artest
    Lebron James
    Brandon Roy
    Grant Hill
    Manu Ginobili
    Ray Allen
    Elton Brand
    Paul Pierce
    Stephen Jackson
    Andrei Kirilenko

    I could go on, but I'll stop here. That's 14 names off the top of my head (15 if you want to include McGrady in the list). If I sat down and looked through every team's roster, I might be able to find 5 more names.

    So no, complete players are not a rarity when you're assuming full health and effectiveness.
     
  6. rockets2

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    Fixed. you're a well known mcgrady here. noone can take you seriousely when it comes to mcgrady. you bash mcgrady to propup yao.
     
  7. ParaSolid

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    From what I read, Artest and Alston were the ones who had the most tension between them. Alston most likely got on McGrady's case when he saw that Mac wasn't giving 100% effort, but that probably wasn't the first time. Other than that, it seemed like they had a pretty good relationship.

    Yes, it is an exaggeration. Artest in Indiana was trying to make rap albums and was getting suspended for 70+ games. You tell me that wasn't a distraction. Dennis Rodman was off wearing wedding dresses. Vince Carter dogged it for an entire year in Toronto then ripped the front office for drafting Bosh. Isaiah Rider was just a knucklehead through and through.

    McGrady tried to come back early, failed miserably, then tried a variety of methods to get back to his old self. He got depressed and didn't play with passion. It's a weak excuse and a pathetic show resolve, no doubt. Most cancerous player in the NBA ever? Exaggeration.
     
  8. rockets2

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    Dont even bother. ...
     
  9. wekko368

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    So in other words, there was tension between Alston and McGrady.

    The suspension was a distraction, but it was the result of Artest letting his emotions get the better of him.

    McGrady rationally decided to come into the season out of shape. He rationally decided to turn the lineup into a game of musical chairs based solely on his whims. He rationally decided to destroy his trade value by having season ending surgery.

    So in my opinion, Artest's suspension was bad. McGrady's actions were worse because they were premeditated.

    And how did this affect his on court performance?

    Yes, those are examples of players being a cancer to their teams, but they all fall short when compared to McGrady.

    Nope, for the reasons I mentioned above, its not at exaggeration at all.

    Btw, "tried to come back early"? Give me a break. He had plenty of time to rehab and get into shape after getting minor surgery that most athletes consider to be routine maintenance.
     
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    That's an interesting theory....especially since I haven't brought up Yao at all.
     
  11. ParaSolid

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    I would liken the 'tension' between McGrady and Alston to the tension one would feel towards one's teammate at a rec league who would loaf on defense. Yeah, kinda disappointed and kinda pissed off, but nothing to write home about. Artest's beef with Alton substantially greater than the supposed tension between Mac and Alston. Kinda weird that during the year of the most cancerous NBA player ever, there was a teammate who was arguably more of a distraction.

    So basically, it was just Artest being Artest that got him suspended. That's fine though, right? No. It's still a huge distraction and whatever his reasons were, he was still a cancerous presence. But I guess requesting for a leave of absence just so that he could produce his horrible rap albums is excusable as well. After all, it's just Artest channeling his creative side, right?

    You can interpret it however you want to, but McGrady did come back early from surgery because he had to. He played through a lot of pain in the Utah series, and I doubt that he would have been much better even with the rehab he could have done better. As leebigez always points out, why didn't Battier return earlier? Wasn't his ankle surgery routine as well? McGrady had two surgeries, both more serious than the diplomat's surgery.

    You make a lot of assumptions and state them a facts. He rationally decided to screw up the team's lineups because he felt like it? How about the fact that his knee would pretty much detoriate after a game? How about the fact that despite the structure of the knee not getting any worse, it wasn't getting any better either. It should be noted that the Rockets didn't seem to have any problems with him getting microfracture surgery, just with the unprofessional way he went about it.

    I think that you have a lot of good points and I respect your opinion. Additionally, I'm probably a biased myself because I actually like McGrady a lot as a player. I'm sure McGrady alienated a lot of people last year, and caused people who didn't like him to begin with to increase their disdain towards him, so I understand where this is coming from.

    Either way, there's a place to discuss this and it's not in this thread.
     
  12. larsv8

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    You're dellusional if you think AK, SJ, PP, EB and RA don't have holes in thier game.
     

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