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Bags and Biggio

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Rocket River, Jul 16, 2004.

  1. JPM0016

    JPM0016 Member

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    I agree with your sentiment for the most part but want to single these 2 points out. I honestly can't think of a reason why the Redsox would want to take on Bagwell's 17 million dollar salary for the next three years. He's clearly not the player he was a few years ago; in fact he's probably in the top 5 of most overpayed baseball players.

    If Biggio keeps up this pace, he's going to bat over 300, hit over 20 home runs and score over 100 runs. You can't find a better leadoff hitter than that. He plays Left Field; have of which is at Minute Maid Park so as it stands i wouldn't call him a defensive liability. How many Left Fielders win Gold Gloves? If they were to stick him back in Center i'd agree with you but he is servicable in Left.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    RMTex, you don't believe that Ensberg is the long-term solution at third?

    I think we'll still have a very good year next year, especially if we are able to buyout Bagwell or trade him (meaning we can seriously make a run at Beltran).

    LF-Biggio
    CF-Beltran
    RF-Lane
    1B-Berkman
    2B-Burke
    3B-Ensberg
    SS-Everett
    C-Ausmus (for one more year)

    (not projected order, just players, btw)

    Then bring up Tavares and the catcher from RR in 2006.

    What's the contract situation on our pitchers not named Clemens and Pettitte?
     
  3. Zac D

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    Two per year, one in each league.


    :D
     
  4. Zac D

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    I'm an idiot.

    Anyway, Biggio rules. :)
     
  5. codell

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    This thread may end up in the D&D.

    Would that be a first?? A thread being moved TWICE??

    :)
     
  6. Chilly_Pete

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    I really don't understand the point of this thread.

    Exactly who are you accusing of not having respect for Hakeem, while having it for Bags and Bidge?

    I hate the nature of these forums sometimes. This post does not do anything but try and drive a wedge between fans. Why can't you be a fan of both Hakeem and Bagwell. They both put on uniforms for this city.

    It goes back to the whole Yao only fans and Steve only fans BS. Grow up.
     
  7. bigboymumu

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    This isn't football. Players don't just play on one-side of the ball. Have you ever heard of defense? The guy should not be playing in the outfield. They better not EXTEND is contract! I can't stand locker-room lawyers!
     
  8. MadMax

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    left field. he's not a liability out in left field.

    and yes...average to poor defense is forgiven when guys regularly score 100 runs and bat over .300 from the leadoff spot.
     
  9. codell

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    How about getting Lamb more playing time?
     
  10. bigboymumu

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    How did I know you were going to respond in that manner? :D

    We definitely disagree on this issue.
     
  11. Toast

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    Bagwell's an f'ing trooper. Dude's been playing in so much pain with a bum shoulder for about 2+ years now. He can barely side-arm the ball to the pitcher sometimes. But he still got 100+ RBI last season.

    This season it seems it really has taken a toll on him. But he's still a competitor. He's a leader on this team, but no longer one of our greatest players. Hell, we have Berkman, Kent, Beltran. Bags & Biggs still contribute. They just aren't the players they were 4 years ago. If Bagwell's shoulder didn't crash & burn, he'd be a lock for the HOF.

    I like this team & I like those players. They just need to get their @sses in gear to at least take the wildcard.

    Never was very high on Jimy Williams. Is it too late to get Dierker back? ;)
     
  12. codell

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    So, are you, or are you not for giving Lamb more playing time??

    Simple question. :confused:
     
  13. The Real Shady

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    Do you ever listen to 610? Bagwell and Biggio have been getting ripped for years by the fans. I personally think that Hakeem had it better then they did, or at least what Bagwell has been getting now from the fans.
     
  14. JPM0016

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    Why can't Biggio play left field? Too much ground to cover? no, so what is it?
     
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    1) No arm!
    2) Lacks Instincts!
    3) Limited range.
    4) Most importantly, if this team does not make it to the playoffs, it is time to get rid of the old and bring in the new. We can't do anything about Bags, but we can do something about Kent and Big. We need to start building for the future!
     
  16. MadMax

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    i think the concerns of biggio in the outfield are way overrated..way overplayed. i don't think we're losing games because he's out there in left field.
     
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    No, Lamb should not be given more PT.

    The issue is not Biggio occupying left field. The issue is... Biggio occupying left field next year! NO PLAYOFFS, NO BIGGIO EXTENSION!
     
  18. JPM0016

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    i agree. On the list of problems plaguing the Astros that has to rank at the bottom.
     
  19. codell

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    So if we don't make the playoffs this year, its Biggio's fault and therefore, we must let him go??

    BTW ...your statement about players not playing on just one side of the ball in baseball is pure BS and you know it. :)
     
  20. MadMax

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    exactly..and frankly, i think biggio is a big net gain for the 'stros. the guy is going to score 100 runs again, this season. he's batting over .300. i think he's been more integral in wins than he has been the reason for losses.
     

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