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Bad News for you Offense Lovers...

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Cohen, May 18, 2007.

  1. Dr of Dunk

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    You didn't defend your point. How is what you stated balanced?
     
  2. MadMax

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    it's not. not remotely balanced.

    teams that aren't solid offensive teams win championships in this league. you don't win championships in this league any longer (past 20 years) without being a solid defensive unit.

    this rockets squad NEEDED to be a solid defensive unit to overcome its talent deficiencies on the other end of the court.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    I agree with the team being flawed, it was why I wanted the bench to be developed all year long. I knew that some of the players that were playing were not good enough and hoped to find out if the ones on the bench could eventually supplant them.

    Now are you saying that the team was as efficient on offense as the players on the Roster could be? Because here I would disagree. I think a better system could have gotten more out of them on offense.....at least IMO.

    DD
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I did in the subsequent post.

    DD
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Did you miss the post about the '96 Bulls being the highest scoring team in the league that year?


    DD
     
  6. Dr of Dunk

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    No, you evaded the question by basically saying "it was the East".

    So a balanced offense and defense is not important in the East, but the teams that made it to Finals in the East had solid defenses.

    Sounds as if the consistency throughout all this is that you must have a solid defense, no?
     
  7. Dr of Dunk

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    And their defense ranked where?
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I concede the point that defense is important, I have always agreed with that.

    When I say balanced, I mean a team needs to be good at both offense and defense.....IMO.

    DD
     
  9. MadMax

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    and the #1 defensive team as well? no i saw that.

    i didn't say a good offensive team can't win, da da. i never said that. i said defense is more important.
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

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    Except in the East where a 20th and a 24th offensively ranked team made it, right?
     
  11. MadMax

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    the ECF disagrees with you. the Detroit Pistons of both championship eras disagree with you.
     
  12. MadMax

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    exactly. da da...come on. this is beyond silly. it's staring you right in the face. we get that you hate JVG. but this is getting ridiculous.
     
  13. Queeni

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    I don't think JVG's defense is good against elite teams, although it looks good against bad teams. Another thread already pointed out the numbers of wins/losses of Rockets against the league and the elite teams. It clearly showed that Rockets lost more to elite teams. Thus, against elite teams, JVG's defense is not good.

    Besides, his offense sucks. Rockets really needs another coach who can balance both and utilize players' talents. Sometimes, statistic data confuses people. But if you watch Rockets games for entire season, you know what's wrong with the coach.
     
  14. MadMax

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    replace the word "coach" with "players" and i agree with you.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Stats from 96 Season

    In PPG Bulls were number 1 and in PPG allowed they were number 2.

    In FG% offense they were number 7 and in FG% defense they were number 8.

    Looks fairly balanced to me.

    It would be interesting to see the NBA champions and where they all ranked offensively and defensivly....

    DD
     
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    No, it's simpler than that. The Rockets' defense was not good against elite power forwards. As much as I love Chuck Hayes and understand his contribution, he is overmatched against the best power forwards in the league. And Yao isn't a good enough help defender to make up for it. The Rockets' defense did a good job against every other position (even elite PGs, look it up).
     
  17. MadMax

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    are you reading our responses at all!!!!???

    no one is suggesting the 96 Bulls weren't balanced, Da Da.

    but apparently you don't have to be the 96 Bulls to win a championship. because far lesser offensive teams have won. but if you fall much further defensively, you ain't winning a championship in this league over the course of the last 20 years.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Well of course, who wants the team to fall defensively? I certainly don't.

    I want both a good offense and defense.

    Adelman's teams have been ranked high in defense and offense which IMO acheives that balance that you need.

    DD
     
  19. MadMax

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    and you think that has as much to do with adelman as it does with the players he coached????

    and now it's "of course"?? before it was they have to be balanced that way. despite the fact the ECF teams aren't balanced this very year.
     
  20. Dr of Dunk

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    No one said defense is all that is needed to win. The elite teams almost always have solid defenses and efficient offenses. We don't have enough talent on offense, but busted our butts on defense. Our defensive schemes revolved around team defense... there's no such thing as a "team jumpshot", unfortunately.

    I pray the offense installed by the new coach is greater than JVG's offense by a larger factor than the new coach's defense will probably be worse than JVG's.

    Oh, btw, for all the criticism our offense took, we scored about 1.5 ppg less than the Spurs. The Spurs offense must've been booooooring to watch... fire Popovich.
     

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