[Bad Info] Houston Rockets have offer on table for 6th pick & Anthony Randolph?

This trade makes no sense. I think it is complete BS. Are you telling me GSW is willing to trade back in the draft from #6 to #14 (with a "throw-in" player to make the salaries work, and another future pick), to unload a problematic player who costs $2m next year and then has his contract expire? If the goal is to be rid of Randolph, they can cut him and pick at #6.

So, either the story is BS, or there is something significant missing. Either GSW wants to unload someone with more significant cap implications or else the point is to acquire someone signficant and not just unload somebody. Budinger might be the significant target, but I can't imagine he could be worth trading down so much for.

 

You're forgetting about the Knicks 2012 pick.

Budinger
14th pick
Knicks 2012 pick

That's actually a good package for what you consider to be solely the #6 pick. Randolph could just be a throw in. You don't know how teams value their lotto picks. Last year, Washington traded the #5 for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, neither of which were hot ticket items.

 

6th pick= Chase Budinger and the 14th pick...

Anthony Randolph= 2012 First round pick, cash considerations, playing time for Brandon Wright who Nelly loves, etc...

 

exactly...the only reason Morey will trade bud is if the other team values him based on his potential, but that's usually not the case with role players. They'll want to give him what he's worth now. I think he'll make significant improvements next season and that's the time to trade him if he's not part of the long term plan.

 

Same could be said about Randolph.

His value hasn't peaked yet.

So the argument would be, who has more upside?

Randolph or Budinger? It's Randolph by miles.

 

warriors could value c-bud more since randolph has fallen so far with in their eyes. they could also feel they are getting the better player in c-bud and getting another first rounder by only having to trade down 8 spots.

just explaining their perspective.

 

Oh stop it, you are not comparing apples to apples.....

Von Wafer would have fit in differently than Chase does, and Chase is better than everyone you mentioned there.

He has Wafers shot making abilities, his athleticism, and he has a high BBall IQ...all those other players were possible stop gap players who could help in a proper role.

Chase is a future starter in the league, he is way beyond all the rest, and to have a hard working, athletic, smart player is incredibly lucky.

We have not had a guy that moves without the ball like him in FOREVER....he makes a huge difference....

And to compare his ROOKIE numbers when he was 21 years old and brush them off as replaceable is simply being disingenious......he will get better.....

Yeah if you think Stupid players with an attitude will suddenly become hard workers with smarts...then sure...



DD

 

Randolph is talented, but there's a problem with young guys full of potential: They want to fulfill it. That's best when you're building around them or they'll be getting significant minutes/touches....i'd be worried Randolph would get upset if he's not featured in some way...that may be part of why he's upset with nelson, since Nelson gives inconsistent minutes. I think he's a risky acquisition, especially if he'll be a FA soon. He'll definitely chase money+ playing time.

I don't think we should be desperate to acquire young talent unless it's going to be used as trade bait. We're no longer a team full of 30 yr olds, we're fine at the age department. Any major acquisition should be for vet, around his prime, that has a clear vision of what truly is important, winning. Young guys don't always have that until later in their careers.

 

He maybe stupid but he has better tools and better talent than Budinger. If he can focus it to become a star is the only question.

If you have the choice of a PF with NBA shot blocking ability and a better shooting % and FT % than Budinger then yeah I'll take the PF.

 

Remember Morey the Wizard is foxey!
This potential trade is but a building brick in the trade for Chris Bosh.
(three way trade)

 

I guess you guys only judging player from how high they jump and how many points they can score.
From my point of view, Chase Bud is already a better player than Randolph to run coach's play. Randolph is a guy that just never learn, he can't even run Nelson's system.
Maybe the NBA is coming to a point only quickness and athleticism matters, but from year to year, I see only teams with well coached offense and defense system won championships.

 

Randolf would play what position? Not a lot of minutes to go around at forward.

 

Not quite, since we'd be getting the 6th pick as well...you'd have to look at the whole deal to evaluate if it's worth it....but i just posted something else to think about. The difference between Randolph and bud. One will max out as a solid role player, so his ceiling is near, randolph's is not, but he's more likely to leave as a FA since he's not likely to be a top 3 option by then, which i think is what he wants, maybe even top 2. I dont think he can be #1.

So what would be the point if that potential won't be reached as a Rocket? We'll only get like 2 yrs out of him.

 

Are you calling Randolph stupid, with attitude problems???

Who has more attitude problems him or Nelson???

I think the question is obvious

 

I like seeing DM's moves develop too, but we can't keep doing it forever. This perpetual team of young guys learning their way through the NBA doesn't win championships. I think a lot of fans around here get complacent about it.

DM did enough and it's time to cash in: Landry for Martin. Brooks evolved into a legit starter. Scola and Yao are at their peak ages. The time is now.

I'm all for this deal though if it's the best option on the table.

 

The addition of ANT would be huge. He's a walking match up nightmare and his skill set is off the charts. His shotblocking and rebounding alone would pay huge dividends right off the bat. Everyone hates the P word but his potential seems much greater than that of Chris Bosh. He's also younger and could be signed for significantly less money. Bottom line is that if he is really being offered, we'd be foolish not to accept.

 

Sure you would, because you forgot which players are the most successful in today's NBA.

Is it:

A. A shot blocking PF with good skills like Bosh

or

B. An intelligent athletic wing player that is a triple threat

If you look across the league in category A you have a few great players but none of them can lead a team anywhere, meanwhile in category B you have Kobe, Wade, Lebron, etc..etc..etc...

In your "Whom has the most upside argument" I will take player B every time.

The rules favor the guy that can dribble, drive and shoot these days...over the shot blocking low post playing PF or Center.

BTW - I really like Randolph, but not for another player like Cbud which will have similar upside.

I would rather jettison Trevor, or Battier or an expiring deal if possible and take on one of their ugly contracts as well like Maggette.....

DD

 

Mike Miller easily replaces Chase Budinger.

 

Not anymore......but about 5 years ago, yeah at least in shot making, but Cbud is a better athlete and is quicker.

DD

 

What about using that #6 pick to replace Budinger?