[Bad Info] Houston Rockets have offer on table for 6th pick & Anthony Randolph?

If this rumor is true, the Rockets would be fools not to do this deal.

 

Okay, fine, I exaggerate. How about Nate is better than C-Bud, as Nate has this killer instinct and Bud doesn't? Killer instinct is good and all, and it may be the reason Budinger may not be a future All-Star. But it's highly overrated as a quality in the end.

 

"Kill Mode" so to speak. Chase Budinger had seemingly limitless potential in his freshman campaign at Zona. For three years everyone was waiting for him to develop as a leader. "When is he going to get that look in his eye and take on a leadership role as one of the older classmen? When is he going to demand the ball in the 4th quarter and make a play when his team needs it?" It never happened. He never developed as a leader, nor a consistent option when his team needed it most. Everyone could tell he was a fine player though, that would probably make it somewhere in the league as a solid rotation guy.

Talking about Chase as a roleplayer or sixth man even, is one thing. It becomes a very slippery slope indeed when you start talking about guys like Ray Allen or Richard Hamilton. These guys were assassins in college, which translated to the pros. They would demand excellence from themselves and everyone around them, and would show leadership and poise in tough situations. Chase might still have a ways to go as far as mental development and maturity goes, and he might even have the physical tools, but something is to be said about the kind of culture and enviroment that Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton were brought up in, compared to the Orange County enviroment that Chase was brought up in.

Ask a Zona fan about C-Bud and they will give you a shrug and a sigh.

 

hmm, did I talk about killer instinct in my post? let me check... NOPE. It was about the misconception of "killer instinct", guys.
So we are calling Nate Robinson has the killer instinct now? Because he hit a couple of 3s in game 6 against Orlando? God...
This killer instinct thing must be like a bag of candy, you reward the kids that wins game, and slap it out of the hands of kids who lost.

 

Never mind...

DD

 

Maybe I'm confused with your criteria, but thats contradictory. If a player hits his physical peak at 17-18, why go with upside? Because every player in the league is coming in at their physical peak at age 19+, so might as well go with the best player?

Then it depends on your definition of improvement, if its all based on physicality. Or if you consider things like court awareness, offseason conditioning, weightlifting, working on shooting touch, any of those things to be improvement. Luis Scola and Carl Landry improved and they came into the league as old men. Is Jermaine Taylor gonna be as good as he's ever going to be?

You did say MOST players, and yes most players dont make leaps in improvement. It seems only a few really make a monumental leap. I just disagree that a player is essentially "what he is" after age 19.

 

Oooo I strongly disagree. Growing up watching Clyde, Otis, Cassell, Horry, Maxwell, Dream has led me to believe the opposite is true.

 

We'll see how he develops over time. Ray Allen has proven himself, but I will give Cbud the benefit of the doubt. My point is, the trade proposed here is fair and worth the risk. Have I done an in-depth analysis? No. But Anthony Randolph is no joke of a talent, and unless I thought he'd continue his disruptive ways, I would take a gamble with him--especially considering how composed the rest of our team is with Yao, Battier, AB, Scola, Kevin Martin, etc.. Maybe some fire/passion would help our team.

 

Yeah, I recall reading something like this.

Maybe this previous season has tempered his contractual expectations...hopefully. And if we were to sign him.

 

I see it in attitude.. Robinson needs to work on composure, but at the end of the day.. him wanting to take those shots proves it to me, regardless of whether they go in or not.

 

I have nothing against fire and passion, and would love Randolph on the team, but I would trade one of the redundant pieces like Battier or Trevor first.....

Not a 22 year old guy with great athleticism, BBall IQ and shot making ability, who also moves without the ball very well.

DD

 

The cbud to ray allen comparison needs to stop at best cbud is a young peja.

 

Look, you can compare parts of his style of game to a lot of players.

We are lucky to have a developing player with his skills on the team, unless we are getting a superstar player for him, then you don't trade those guys you let them develop and fill out your roster.

DD

 

He's more like a Glen Rice.

 

I guess it depends. I was speaking towards basketball players in general.

Great highschool players are often times great, because they have matured physically before everyone else.

To become a college player, you need to develop even more, because that physicality alone will not do it in most cases. The level of play is just too high. You need to improve every bit as much as you did from 15-18, except it has to be from 18-21, which is HARD to do because you are essentially done developing and it becomes a game of milliseconds and inches. Not many players can do the hard work, the weeding out process begins.

The NBA, well it's just ridiculous. I don't think people understand how hard it is to improve exponentially from 21-25 or so... Most of the guys that do it are late bloomers (Often times big men), and freaks like Kobe. There is certainly that 3 year adjustment period though, that even a guy like Scola had to go through when he first got here.

 

So when it is all said and done, you would not take Randolph for Bud, the #14 pick and athe 2012 pick if G. State insisted?

 

100% agree.

But it makes you wonder If a guy like Beasley needs a Scola foot in his ass to get his life changed around. Who knows?

Atleast Anthony randolph works hard though.

I'll take a knucklehead that works hard with our enviroment.

 

its randolph AND the #6 pick i mean i would do it in a heartbeat i would try not give up bud i like him a lot but thats a hell of a deal.

 

Did you forget about them sending back their #6 pick too? I sure as hell wouldn't do the deal you just said.

 

I am shocked how easy DD could fall in love with a player! :grin: