Pgab, I left out the link internationally, just to let you have a chance to do some more intelligent googling since you missed it initially.
I didn't miss it, there are three issues torture torture at gitmo closing gitmo to have resolution to these detainees situations I never said Obama didn't talk about bush's torture policy are ending it. That's not the reason he is closing the prison. It doesn't matter, but he's not closing the prison because of torture.
If you didn't miss it, then you may have some reading comprehension problem. The speech made by Obama was specific on Gitmo -- the torture and what-not that have been going in in Gitmo. Whether or not to close Gitmo is a separate issue.
I have no doubt that the treatment of prisoners has improved and now meet the Geneva Convention provisions. I wonder what the results of this report would show if the study had been conducted in 2005?
from the speech And yet, we have a bill that gives the terrorist mastermind of 9/11 his day in court, but not the innocent people we may have accidentally rounded up and mistaken for terrorists - people who may stay in prison for the rest of their lives. And yet, we have a report authored by sixteen of our own government's intelligence agencies, a previous draft of which described, and I quote, "...actions by the United States government that were determined to have stoked the jihad movement, like the indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay..."
What does that have to do with alleged torture in Gitmo? LOL, nothing. You can be indefinitely detained and treated like a prince at the same time.
because they are bein rounded up indefinitely, just like the quote says here is the speech more from the speech But we also know that some have been detained who have no connection to terror whatsoever. We've already had reports from the CIA and various generals over the last few years saying that many of the detainees at Guantanamo shouldn't have been there - as one U.S. commander of Guantanamo told the Wall Street Journal, "Sometimes, we just didn't get the right folks." And we all know about the recent case of the Canadian man who was suspected of terrorist connections, detained in New York, sent to Syria, and tortured, only to find out later that it was all a case of mistaken identity and poor information. In the future, people like this may never have a chance to prove their innocence. They may remain locked away forever.
exactly, that's my freaking point for umteenth freakin time, the problem with the prison is there is no resolution. LOL and you still haven't proven that he is closing gitmo because of torture, or that he said prisoners are being tortured
LOL ... there is a solution, as I stated earlier: returning the detainees to their respective countries. All it takes is some political guts to give a finger to those activist scoundrels. Swing and miss. I did not argue whether Gitmo should be closed because of torture.
You can be, but when you have Bush officials and U.S. army judges saying there's torture there, it is directly to the point. Though, as has been pointed out, there are numerous reasons why Gitmo should be closed.
Did you read the article? It said "currently". The charges have not been proven false. Here is another article from Reuters with a specific quote: http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE51M77C20090223 [rquoter]... He acknowledged his team had not spoken to former prisoners who have claimed they were tortured, nor did they attempt to determine whether the camp had complied with the Geneva standards throughout its seven-year history. "I was not in a position to look back," Walsh said at a Pentagon briefing. "My mandate was specifically to determine whether the camp was in compliance today, and it is." ...[/rquoter]
And by the way, I think this is good news. I'm glad the Bush administration brought Guantanamo into compliance with the Geneva Conventions (assuming it was done under his watch). This is a lot better news than finding out that violations are occurring as we speak.
This is yet one more attempt in the long line of attempts by basso to claim things were one way, when it wasn't, and even the evidence he provides doesn't back up his own claim.
please- cite evidence of torture or lack of compliance w/ Geneva protocols during the bush admin. note, before you go searching, that the prisoners held at Gitmo do not, and did not, qualify for protection under the Geneva convention. i'd love for you to enumerate why not.
Cheney admits enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding.[rquoter]I think there were a total of about 33 who were subjected to enhanced interrogation; only three of those who were subjected to waterboarding -- Khalid Sheik Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and a third, al Nashiri.[/rquoter] Obama considers waterboarding to be torture.[rquoter]"From my view waterboarding is torture. I have said that under my administration we will not torture," Obama said.[/rquoter] Obama is not the only one who considers waterboarding to be torture.[rquoter]Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts, politicians, war veterans, intelligence officials, military judges, and human rights organizations.[/rquoter] By the way, you claimed the charge that prisoners were tortured was proven false, when it obviously hasn't been. It's ok for you to admit that mistake. I'll give you an example of how it's done: In my earlier post I claimed the article in the OP said "currently". I was wrong. It uses the present tense but does little else to make clear that the report is referring to current conditions at the detention camp. I confused it with an article I found when doing further research after I was curious about what time period the report commented on. My apologies for the mistake.
