If you reduce someone to only a racial characteristic then it could be race baiting. If the topic was different hairstyles and people talked about a fro it wouldn't be. When you take a person who has is multifaceted, President of Harvard Law Review, State senator, U.S. Senator, President of the United States, and a million other things, but only reduce them to a single racial characteristic it could be race baiting. It's all context.
This would apply also to what school they went to, their religion, and a whole host of other characteristics. SamFisher just isn't a people person. He calls people out for bigotry but also has a history of engaging in the exact same behavior that he decries.
Leaving aside any racial undertones the thread title is misleading and wrong. Far from the Obama administration telling NOLA to drop dead they are funding Gulf Coast reconstruction. From the original article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090219/ap_on_go_pr_wh/stimulus_katrina [rquoter] Under the $787 billion stimulus bill, states will share more than $90 billion in infrastructure money. Gulf states such as Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama can use their funds for Katrina-related projects, but they'll get the same formula-based share that other states receive. ... Thompson and others say new funding wasn't necessary in the stimulus largely because billions of federal dollars remain bogged down in bureaucracy or tied up in planning. As a result, they said, Katrina funding doesn't fit with the quick-spending purpose of the stimulus bill, which is aimed at kick-starting the economy. ... Without discussing specific funding plans, White House spokeswoman Gannet Tseggai said Obama is "dedicated to rebuilding New Orleans and the Gulf Coast and looks forward to working with Congress to ensure they get the help they so desperately need."[/rquoter] Also http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/under_fire_obam.html [rquoter] Under fire, Obama extends Katrina effort Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor February 20, 2009 11:17 AM Facing some criticism that the $787 billion stimulus plan he signed this week does not include money set aside for Hurricane Katrina rebuilding, President Obama today re-upped a federal coordinator on the Gulf Coast recovery and dispatched two top officials to tour New Orleans and the coast next month. The White House announced that Obama signed an executive order extending the Office of the Federal Coordinator for Gulf Coast Rebuilding, which was to expire on Feb. 28, through Sept. 30, and asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan to do an on-site visit on March 5 and 6 to assess the reconstruction efforts. “The residents of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast who are helping rebuild are heroes who believe in their communities and they are succeeding despite the fact that they have not always received the support they deserve from the Federal government,” Obama said in a statement. “This executive order is a first step of a sustained commitment by my administration to rebuild now, stronger than ever.” “We must ensure that the failures of the past are never repeated," he added. "My administration is committed to strengthening our preparedness, response, and recovery efforts.” [/rquoter] So while there is criticism the Obama Admin. is continuing to fund and push for Gulf Coast recovery.
That's because the truth really isn't newsworthy. Basso has to manufacture controversy against Obama or what else would he have to do?
Which is why I was trying to mess with the guy and a few others during the whole macca thread. It's so dumb to call people out as being racists for language especially if you fail the same litmus test you apply. Doubting someone is a certain race because of a positional stance they take was what really irked me.
Awww poor new yorker, refman and wnes - you three should band together in some sort of society. You can call it the sammy made me cry club. I never pretended to be a saint. I like to make fun of silly netizens with no sense of humor (wnes), chip on their shoulder conservatives who get huffy when people laugh at magic sacraments or their resumes (refman), and guys like NewYorker who pretend they are Indian over the interwebs. i never claimed to be a saint, I am not. I am flawed individual. I guess i can cast no stones, anyway I simply asked a simple question - why is it ok in his own mind for basso to make race jokes, and how far does that line extend with respect to those with developmental disabilities? He shows a great propensity for one, and little tolerance for the other Anyway if you guys can identify a similar double standard with respect to me, go ahead. You might find one, I don't know. I'm just asking a simple question. I didn't start this thread, or the "Fresh Prince" thread or any number of other threads that basso started that make fun of these things.
What is really funny about this is that you and basso are cut out of the same cloth. You just don't seem to see it.
Really? I doubt it. Taking this forum in particular, I don't start the same amount of threads, I don't just post an article and leave with some cheeky title, and I will blast you with facts until you capitulate, and I try to avoid taking factually or logically inconsistent positions, not always successful but I try. But other than that we are the same...
Sammy, you can pat yourself on the back by also putting Jeff, among many others, in the same club that certifies you as a racist twerp on CF.net. It sure doesn't take more than a few seconds to find out: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3705303&postcount=79 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3708891&postcount=98 Methinks there is a clear distinction between what basso does and you do. For all the racial innuendos he threw out, basso never makes any racial remarks directed at a poster on this board. You, on the other hand, frequently do. Here's one just a couple of months back: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4113792&postcount=83 You better hope your handler makes his pet's posts disappear real fast.
Again, I'm no saint. I don't deny having said things in the past. I'm asking a different question here. PS what is so bad about describing somebody as German-Korean? When they are in fact German and Korean? PPS "yellow man"? black man, white man, I guess it's not the same, I took the reference from the Poster who described Adelman as shutting Yao out of his offense becausee of his hatred for the Yellow man. I'm actually kind of suprised that's the best you can do. You've got moore than that, right?
Well you do both live in NYC and everytime I'm there for more than a few days I just feel ruder. Perhaps I should challenge Basso to
What's the question, that you b**** about basso making some racial overtone about a public figure? I guess it goes beyond what is a "description," no? Also, what does that poster's racial identity have to do with whatever the debate that was going on? First, I would like to know if the poster who made that reference is still around. Second, I suggest next time when Clutch interviews Yao, he brings you along, and make sure you use that Yellow Man racial epithet. You bet there is more. But I'll leave at that.
No it's a question about whether he has a double standard. Read the post. First it's not a race. Second, Not much at all. more of a geographical one. Chinese rockets fans are understandable, but random german or korean guys? Who stalk people across the web on a houston basketball bbs? Weird. He's quoted in somebody's signature. I can't remember who.
He may. But then again, so do you. And yours is worse, hence my LOL @ you. Ethnic identity, whatever. You are not saying Germans/Koreans can't be Rockets fans, are you? And if ethnicity has not much at all to do with the debate, why bring it up? Even if he stalks you on the web as you alleged, is that a characteristic of being German+Korean? For someone whose political leaning is very much to the left/liberal side, you got some serious issues. A_3PO's sig. I'd wager $20 to the tip jar that the poster was made gone.
I think it's really pretty simple, and since you're a clean and articulate guy (well, it's the internet so can't be too sure about the former attribute), it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. in general, i strive not to make fun of other posters based on personal characteristics, ethnicity, sexuality, relative hirsuteness, neurodiversity, height, weight, etc. i feel no such compunction wrt public figures, although in general i try to keep it tongue-in-cheek. When a public figure has defined his whole persona by a particular characteristic, as Obama has with his race and his past associations w/ unrepentant terrorists, well then, the possibilities are endless (Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers). whether hilarity ensures is entirely in the eye of the beholder. if you find it offensive, you're probably in the wrong forum. i also try to refrain from making fun of people who can't defend themselves. those with developmental disabilities fall into this category. i generally will call someone on such a post, or just add the poster to my ignore list. if it crosses into the personal realm however, i take a different approach. the occasional "**** you" aside, i refrain from personally threatening other posters. if someone threatens me personally, and it's clear it's not in jest, as a precaution, i will report them. if someone threatens my children, as at least one poster has done, i will certainly report them. feel free to print this out and tape it to your monitor as a handy guide when trying to determine whether a reference to a hobbit should be construed as a racist taunt towards a black man w/ a buzz cut.
A couple things. Obama, far from basing his whole persona on race has left it out of every single topic possible. You are wrong about Bill Ayers like you were wrong about Gitmo and the Geneva convention. Bill Ayers is NOT an unrepentant terrorist. Furthermore Obama hasn't tried to base any part of his persona on Bill Ayers one way or the other. Others have tried to make that part of his persona.
stuff like this is so wrong it pisses me off. the mere suggestion that a black man can win a national election running on his blackness is so ****ing ludicrous it just proves you live in your own reality.
just to be clear, i'm not suggesting that's why he won. i'm saying that's how (and why) he ran. Obama has admitted as much (before the campaign).
