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AZ Law Requiring Proof of Citizenship Struck Down

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Yet another Arizona law struck down.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-of-citizenship-to-vote?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=2

    Supreme Court strikes down Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to vote

    The Supreme Court on Monday struck down an Arizona law that requires people to submit proof of citizenship when they register to vote.

    The vote was 7-2. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, said that a 1993 federal law known as the Motor Voter Act takes precedence over the Arizona law because of its requirement that states “accept and use” the federal voter registration form.

    Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, two members of the court’s conservative wing, dissented.

    Only a handful of states have similar laws, which the states say are meant to reduce voter fraud. Civil rights groups said the Arizona law was an effort to discourage voting by legal immigrants, and they worried that more states would have followed if the Supreme Court had upheld it.

    Groups opposed to the Arizona law said that the court had blocked an attempt at voter suppression.

    “Today’s decision sends a strong message that states cannot block their citizens from registering to vote by superimposing burdensome paperwork requirements on top of federal law,” said Nina Perales, vice president of litigation for the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund.

    Citizenship is a requirement to vote in any federal election, and the federal registration form requires people to state, under penalty of perjury, that they are American citizens. States can use their own forms, but they must be equivalent to the federal form.

    The Arizona law, known as Proposition 200 and adopted by Arizona voters in 2004, went further than the federal form by requiring applicants to provide proof of citizenship. Arizona has used the law to reject 30,000 voter applications, according to the Brennan Center for Justice.

    Challengers to the law argued that it put an extra burden on naturalized citizens. Using a naturalization document as proof would require an applicant to register in person, as opposed to through the mail, because federal law prohibits copying the document.

    A federal appeals court said that Arizona had gone too far and essentially rejected the federal form. Arizona said it was not a rejection of the federal form any more than asking for ID at an airport is a rejection of a plane ticket.

    The Supreme Court ruling pointed out that Arizona still has an option: It can ask the federal government to include state-specific instructions on the federal form, and go to court if the government says no.

    Three other states — Alabama, Georgia and Kansas — have laws almost identical to Arizona’s and joined it in urging the court to uphold the additional requirement for proof of citizenship.

    At an oral argument in March, Thomas Horne, a lawyer for Arizona, told the justices that the state was within its rights to ask for additional information beyond the simple federal form.

    “It’s extremely inadequate,” Horne said. “It’s essentially an honor system. It does not do the job.”

    “Well,” answered Justice Sonia Sotomayor, “that’s what the federal system decided was enough.”

    The court’s conservatives had appeared sympathetic to the Arizona side. Scalia said during the argument that federal law clearly empowers the states to take additional action to assess a potential voter’s eligibility.

    “Under oath is not proof at all,” he said. “It’s just a statement.”

    Patricia Millett, a lawyer for groups opposed to the law, countered: “Statements under oath in a criminal case are proof beyond a reasonable doubt” in criminal cases that result in execution.

    “It’s a very serious oath,” she said.

    Arizona is known for its tough stance on immigration. Last year, the Supreme Court struck down some key provisions of a state law meant to crack down on illegal immigration.

    But it let stand the most controversial part — a requirement that police making traffic stops check the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally.
     
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    Sounds like the wrong law got changed.
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    Do you approve of illegals voting? If no, how do you prevent them from registering if there is no system of verification.
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    The OUTRAGE at making people prove they're a citizen before they can vote.

    lol sometimes liberals need to take a step back and look at how foolish they appear to the rest of us pragmatic folks...
     
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    I don't approve of illegals voting. There isn't really a significant problem with them voting right now. The process currently in place has done a good job of preventing them from voting.
     
  7. CometsWin

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    Do you have any evidence of illegals voting?
     
  8. basso

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    link?
     
  9. mc mark

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    You mean the pragmatic folks that's lost 5 out of the last 6 presidential elections?
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    Yeah, the outrage is because a federal law already does that---and in case you haven't been reading too closely about what America is about, federal law supersedes state law on matters of immigration and citizenship, which even Scalia had to agree with.

    Maybe you need to take a step back and read the article (if not something about how your own nation's judiciary works).
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    Not by creating state law that attempts to supersede federal law on this matter, that's for sure!
     
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    for one, there are more important issues for illegal immigrants than taking the time to sabotage the voting process.

    Issue 1: like conservatives, undocumented immigrants are all about god and family. so instead of secretly wanting to stuff the ballots for the evil democrats, they work hard to send money back and provide to their loved ones.

    Issue 2: After years of grinding and being low key, the undocumented immigrant will now attempt to go for his residency. At this point the undocumented immigrant still lacks the confidence to even think about being part of the communist manifesto the obama is serving his followers.
    But beware, once the undocumented immigrant is ready to score a 60 on his naturalization exam, then it's over. hit defcon 5, they will now try to vote. basterrds!

    all these things come before sabotaging elections.

    also, In the process, the undocumented immigrant will become more like you, as he will embrace the nfl and iphones. I've seen it happen.



    Now undocumented immigrants with criminal backgrounds that come here to commit violence..those need to get got. we can all agree on that.
     
  13. False

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    Preemption is not a great argument against the law. It is perfect from a constitutional perspective, but the policy implications of such a law are vastly more important in the court of public opinion. This law is not only clearly unconstitutional, it's also just bad policy.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/06/17/192790981/supreme-court-strikes-down-arizona-voting-rule

    This law hurts everyone because it results in less Americans participating in the political process. The amount of theoretical voting fraud that it might stop is vastly eclipsed by the amount of Americans who are hurt. I think that even die hard nativists can agree that once they stop voting with their gut and look at the data that the downsides vastly outweigh the upside of such a law.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Those wacky liberals like Scalia, Roberts, and Kennedy on the court.
     
  15. sammy

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    texxx getting owned again today
     
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    It isn't a matter of whether you like or dislike the law, it is patently unconstitutional and there was never any real doubt that the Court would strike it down.
     
  17. Northside Storm

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    Thomas with the hyper-originalist argument made me LOL

    godwin's law for justices should be if you refer to the intent of the founders and fill in your personal beliefs, you lose.
     

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