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Ayman al-Zawahiri may be dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Surfguy, Jan 13, 2006.

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  1. tigermission1

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    :eek:

    :p
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    You have no idea what you are talking about. Pure speculation. You have many preconceived ideas not based on reality. Please educate yourself before assuming what you believe is truth.
     
  3. real_egal

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    Thank you for putting it so nicely. In fact, other posters should post this after 99% of your posts.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Pure speculation. You have many preconceived ideas not based on reality. Please educate yourself before assuming what you believe is truth.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    You have no idea about who supported the Katrina evacuees, the miners or the troops. Living abroad taints your view of what happens in the US due to the media that you read and its biases. My point stands that you don't know what you are talking about in the paragraph that I quoted. What's worse is that you really believe your ideas to be truth.
     
  5. real_egal

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    Talking about preconceived ideas or speculations, what makes you think that I get my information only from the media? what makes you think I am NOT living in the States? I lived in Canada before, but I am in the states now. By the way, I am wondering where you got your information? Fox news is media as well, I assume. Or you actually got your information in Iraq? :eek: You did walk the walk and enlisted.
     
  6. hotballa

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    Are you talking to a mirror?
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    It's clear from your grammar that you're not from here.
     
  8. real_egal

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    I never said I was born here, and I never said that English is my native language, and I never said my grammar is any good. However, if the only thing you can argue about in a discussion is grammer, you know where you are. By the way, it's quite clear from your logic reasoning (if there is any) that you never had proper education in logic.
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    I wasn't arguing grammar, just pointing out why I believed you weren't from here. I'll be the bigger man and ignore your retaliatory insults. My point stands that you don't know who amongst the Americans were the ones supporting the Katrina folks and troops.
     
  10. hotballa

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    Neither do you, so drop it.
     
  11. Master Baiter

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    You are really funny. You blatantly knock his grammer and now you are going to be the bigger man and ignore retaliatory insults. Uh, why is that they were RETALIATORY insults? I wonder.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    grammar is the word you're looking for

    *snicker*

    I didn't make fun of his grammar, I merely stated that's why I knew he wasn't from here.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Looks like it's still up in the air as to his death:

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/01/16/pakistan.strike/index.html

    Officials: U.S. unsure of al-Zawahiri fate
    From David Ensor
    CNN

    Manage Alerts | What Is This? WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. intelligence officials said Monday they were trying to determine whether Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant was at a dinner in a remote Pakistani village and whether he was one of the people killed by a CIA airstrike.

    The U.S. officials said they had solid intelligence that a group of senior al Qaeda personnel was killed in Friday's attack, which targeted houses in Damadola, Pakistan.

    The officials said Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda's No. 2 man, was invited to the Damadola dinner celebrating the end of the Moslem holiday of Eid.

    But only some of al-Zawahiri's aides were there, Pakistani intelligence officials said Sunday, according to The Associated Press.

    A U.S. counterterrorism official told CNN, "I cannot confirm at this point whether he [al-Zawahiri] showed up or not."

    The remains of about 12 bodies, including as many as eight foreigners, were quickly retrieved by a group of men after the airstrike and buried elsewhere, sources said.

    U.S. officials declined to comment on that report.

    Pakistani officials said Sunday that 18 civilians died in the attack, including five children, five women and eight men.

    One Pakistani intelligence official said al-Zawahiri was not among the dead and it was not known whether he had been in the area.

    Pakistan Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri said that "as far as the reports that we've got so far, he wasn't there."

    In an interview with CNN, Kasuri expressed outrage Monday that Pakistani forces had not been included.

    "This is terrible -- 18 people have died --- innocent people, women and children apart from some men," he said.

    Though U.S. and Pakistani forces have long shared intelligence, "any operations, if and when requested, will be conducted by the Pakistani army, to prevent just the sort of occurrence that happened," he said.

    Kasuri declined to say whether Pakistani authorities had been informed of the strike beforehand.

    "The important thing is not whether we knew or not," he said. "The important thing is a question of our sovereignty, a violation of our sovereignty."

    The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan has been "called in," he said, adding that he is prepared to take his complaint higher. "If required, I'll talk to Dr. Rice," he said, referring to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

    "Actions of this nature strengthen the hands of those who oppose this kind of cooperation."

    DNA sample available
    CNN analyst John McLaughlin, a former CIA deputy director, said that if al-Zawahiri is alive "there is a reasonable chance we will know sometime within the week" -- either because al Qaeda will put out a new tape to capitalize on the U.S. failure to get him or from "other intelligence sources or possibly forensics."

    If al-Zawahiri is dead, it could take longer to verify, McLaughlin said.

    U.S. officials confirmed that the FBI has a DNA sample from al-Zawahiri's brother that could be used for forensic identification purposes, but they declined to say whether forensic work was under way to identify those killed.

    FBI Special Agent Richard Kolko said while the bureau often does DNA work for the Defense Department and other agencies, "no request has been received for assistance at this time; however, we remain available if asked."

    U.S. authorities believe al-Zawahiri, 54, a doctor from a prominent Egyptian family, helped mastermind the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. He also has been indicted in the United States for his alleged role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

    The U.S. government has put up a $25 million reward for information leading to his capture.

    Protests in Pakistan
    The killings sparked demonstrations across the country Sunday, with tens of thousands of people marching against Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf and the United States. Demonstrations took place in Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar and Karachi.

    In Bajour agency, the district including Damadola, tribal leaders vowed to continue their protest for three days, and shops in the district will be closed.

    U.S. lawmakers defend strike
    On Sunday, U.S. politicians expressed regret over the deaths caused by the attack but said the airstrike was justified.

    "It's terrible when innocent people are killed; we regret that," Sen. John McCain told CBS' "Face the Nation."

    "But we have to do what we think is necessary to take out al Qaeda, particularly the top operatives. This guy has been more visible than Osama bin Laden lately," the Arizona Republican said.

    Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Indiana, told CNN's "Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer" that the Pakistani government is unable to control that part of the country, where sympathetic residents were believed to be harboring al Qaeda leaders.

    "Now, it's a regrettable situation, but what else are we supposed to do?" Bayh asked rhetorically. "It's like the Wild, Wild West out there. The Pakistani border [with Afghanistan is] a real problem."
     
  14. mc mark

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    First, I never met any real man in real life, who claims on a message board that he's a bigger man almost every day.

    Second, your pointing out that I wasn't from here is irrelevant, coz nobody, including myself claimed that I was from here.

    Third, you assumed that if I am not from here, all the media I faced is biased, I guess that includes the "fair and balanced" Fox news. Living in Canada for the past few years, I had access to many news media, but I was able to form my own opinion based on the facts I was presented and some simple logic and common sense. I am not sure whether you could say the same thing. Now I am living in the states, I have the same access to your media exposure, unless you got those information first handedly from Iraq, for instance.

    Fourth, even when I was in Canada, I did support the Katrina folks, although not much. But stangely, in those Katrina relief and supporting threads I didn't see you at all, who normally so eager to give support (even just over the Internet).

    Fifth, I didn't insult you, but rather you insulted yourself, coz you insulted people who were given the right and opportunity to think for themselves.

    By the way, did you or did you not celebrate that premature news again?
     
  16. SWTsig

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    and you do???
     
  17. hotballa

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    of course he does, because he believes that FNC gives him all the news he needs to know. :rolleyes:
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Can you not answer why you didn't celebrate when you believed that al-Zawahiri was dead?

    Or have you run away from that question.

    I am waiting.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    Wait, you told me earlier that I did celebrate! Are you a flip-flopper? Your questions humor me!

    I love it! bwahahahahahahaa
     
  20. Sishir Chang

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    D'OH!

    Will edit
     

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