I'll accept that. If the house that was blown up had harbored Zawahiri the day before, OK. But what if it didn't? What if we made a mistake? Do Pakistanis have a right to be pissed? How many mistakes (meaning innocent people killed) are we allowed before the international community has the right to question us in your view? Is there any respect for human beings that aren't American in your view? Or is there just some righteous invisible shield that protects any actions this administration takes?
You and T_J criticized FB for not celebrating on the premature news. If you didn't celebrate on the premature news, you make yourself a hypocrite, because you criticized FB while he did the same as you did. If you did celebrate on the premature news, you make yourself a liar, because you don't want to admit it anymore, and called him out to prove that. If you indeed did celebrate on the premature news, but you forgot it 5 minutes later, which means you might not be a liar, but rather very irresponsible of your own words and actions. If you didn’t celebrate on the premature news at all from the very beginning, and was quite happy about it later on, by calling others out to prove that you celebrated, you make yourself a terrorist-sympathizer and troop-hater. Otherwise, how could you NOT celebrate that great news on the war-on-terror front, unless you doubted the news as well? Then again, that would make you a super hypocrite for criticizing FB doing the same thing. Last possibility, no matter what happened, what FB said, if you simply wanted to argue for the sake of argument, you make yourself very childish and trolling like. What are you really? This is hilarious. You got called out, pal. Get over it.
LOL I'm glad FranchiseBlade's leftie supporters have recognized that he needs help here. I maintain my position that this guy gets laughed out of any balanced forum out there (as opposed to this liberal utopia we call the D&D...). FB's snide remark about the US killing one of "34" AQ #3 men remains despicable. Yeah, go ahead and disparage our efforts in the war on terror. You da man. FB got called out. Plain and simple. Any other liberals want to step up to the plate for him?
Please stay in this threat more. I thank you for keeping at it this long. You have failed to respond to any of the questions about celebrating or not celebrating. Please explain. Or don't and I think anyone who reads this will know what to make of your non-answer. If you don't want the idea that a number 3 has been killed then the administration can stop claiming that over and over again. What I did, does not disparage our efforts, but it does disparage the laughable exaggerations that this administration has been found to engage(please check the number of Iraqi battle ready battallions claims that have been coming out and then disproved later) in several times. The Americans deserve honesty.
You're hilarious. Let's recap. You try to pull an "I told you so" in this thread and tell me that I celebrated prematurely. Then I call you out and say that I didn't celebrate prematurely. Then you try to call ME out for not celebrating. So you start out by making fun of my imaginary celebration and you end up asking me why I wasn't celebrating. That, my friend, is good comedy by any measure! You've lost and have been owned.
So you didn't celebrate? I'll accept your answer. Why didn't you celebrate when you believed that they had killed Ayman al Zawahiri?
i dont know about all that. even if we assume arguendo that the house had zawahri wouldn't it first be prudent to notify the gov't of pakistan and have them take care of it? and if not that at least an approval? supposedly the gov't of pakistan has filed an official complaint...which would mean they weren't notified. and if so isn't it problematic to launch attacks against another sovereign country, especially one which is an ally? actually nevermind. i forgot the rule of law meant little to this administration for a second.
LOL, the more you drag this on, the most foolish you look. Now you're asking me why I DIDN'T celebrate? But wait, I thought you were the one who said this earlier: Can you please get your story straight? bwwaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!
Can't you people see that by pointing out the negatives, you are harming the self esteem of bigtexxx? How will he continue to be part of the 101st Keyboarders, supporting his brother-in-arms and typing for freedom? This is just what Al-Q wants... for us to bring down one of our own. Well, the cause is too great for this American to take part in such recklessness. Even though bigtexxx is cornered on all side by reason, rationality, and logic, I support his delusions in the greater interest of fighting the freedom haters, suiciders, and dead-enders.
LOL 101st Keyboarders! I like it!! Come on liberals, send in more troops to help out FranchiseBlade! He needs your help NOW!!! bwaaaahahahahaha
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but I heard on the news that they are now saying that Zwahari wasn't killed in the strike. Whoops sorry I see that it has already been posted.
When Hamas leaders have been killed by Israelis Hamas has openly announced it by declaring the martrydom of their leaders.
I accepted your answer that you didn't celebrate. I am asking you why you didn't celebrate when you believed the U.S. had killed al-Zawahiri. Are you going to answer, or are you going to keep going over that which we both acknowledge, that you did not celebrate. I have no problem believing you and that I was wrong when presumed you celebrated what you believed to be the death of Al-Qaeda's number 2 man. So now we move the discussion on. Why didn't you celebrate when you believed that the U.S. had killed Al-Qaeda's number 2?
That is the key question. Racism? Ignorance? Arrested moral development? Too much watching of televangelists ? Harsh toilet training? Just scared witless? I don't know since frankly I was brought up to view folks from other countries as fully human.
Quite frankly, I think most of them do understand what upsets other people. The main point is, they don't care. If you are not that useful right now, they don't mind hurting you. As long as you are not powerful enough to threat them in any way, they wouldn't care what you think or want. Excuse book is thick, and the rule of thumb is always national interest and in the name of people. It's not like that don't treat people from other countries as fully human, they wouldn't treat people from the same country, including themselves as fully human. Everything is evaluated by power and money, if you have that, you would have their attention, sympathy, support, etc etc. If you don't, they will see whether giving you some sympathy would gain them something in return. Do you think if those people would really care about those 13 miners in W.W or people suffered from Katrina, or dead soldiers in war? Did you ever see those tough-talking troop-supporters dropping by in those Katrina relief threads? No. Because caring for people is just a strange concept, no matter it's in some villiage in Iraq or US, as long as they don't have power or money, as long as they can't gain something as return, be it money/power/agenda, those people will always be on the high horses, that if you do not do this or that, that wouldn't happen to you etc. You shouldn't be surprised by now.
Good post Real_Egal and I agree there's a lot of self-interests in play. That said though I'm not necessarily sure self-interests is all that bad of a thing especially in foreign policy. Every country will act in their self-interests and its just not in human nature to completely act out of compassion. Given the extremely complicated nature of the world too actions have unforeseen consequences. Further what defines compassionate action? Many war supporters argue that the invasion of Iraq was compassionate action since its freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrannical rule. They even argue that war opponents aren't compassionate. I myself am troubled when compassionate action is dependent upon military action, especially unilateral military action, and think we often need to be careful about arguing for a more compassionate foreign policy.
Humans are selfish, no doubt about it. However, selfishness doesn't necessary gains you self-interest or benefit. Foreign policy or domestic policy is all the same as a simple business deal. If you want to take all, no matter how strong a position you are in, you might succeed once or twice, but you wouldn't make any trust or business partners. Only win-win deals can last. Any one-sided deal will fail in the long term, because it's anti-human-self-interest. Anyone who believes one-sided deal can go long, is either stupid, ignorant, naive, blind or all of them. No need to paint onself as a righteous man or woman, but out of self-interest, to gain benefit eventually, one has to be aware and informed about others' needs and interests, make the effort to create a win-win situation. But then again, when do we see people learn from others' lessons, we all want to learn those hard lessons in our own hard ways. Hopefully, it's not too hard on the end.
