I am amazed everytime I saw guys like you, tell people how exactly terrorists think, what they WANTED others to do. How is that possible? And you are always so sure of that. Unless you are one of them. Then again, even if you are one of them, you wouldn't know the thoughts of everyone of them, unless they only have one thought. In that case, not sure whether they are the naive ones, or you are. GWB kept telling people that terrorists want you this and want you that, that's the reason you can't do this or that. It seems that you all have to live for terrorists. You have to do things they don't want, and you must not do things they want. You are no longer allowed to think and act for yourself. Before every word or action, you have to think, hey, maybe terrorists want me to do that, so I must stop. Well, what if I am not sure what terrorists think? Just check with your strong leader, he knows exactly what terrorists think, so he can tell you exactly what need to do. If you are not in the circle close enough to get the message from the leader directly, no worry, his followers will tell you what terrorists want you to do, and what you can do. Forget about moral, principles, belief, freedom, democracy, or religion, it's all about terrorists. The only meaning of life is to be the opposite of terrorists.
I would consider myself on the moderate-conservative American side of this. We have a job to do and should do the best, most civilized version - but wars have been killing civilians for thousands of years. And we are in a war. I do not remember a single circumstance in the last 5 years or the last 40 for that matter, where when one side in any conflict bombs a site, home, building or car, then the other side speaks up and says: "yes you just killed our leader, and three of his aides, all of whom had been involved in planning countless attacks." The normal operating procedure for the opposition is to say: "Our leaders were not there and you killed a bunch of mothers and children by mistake, and now we will seek a PR opportunity with the world press." So the chances of a successful operation being played out in public as successful in any war is very low. It is possible that the intelligence source lied to the CIA. It is possible the wrong homes were hit, It is also possible the entire village is lying as they have everything to gain by trying to protect terrorists and then extract reparations from the US government. I think the name of the book was "The day america told the truth". 90% of americans lie on a regular basis in situations of self-interest. I don't think the % is any lower elsewhere, in fact my own experience says it is probably higher. Self interest > truth. People in general are unreasonable and want more than they deserve.
real_egal, well said! What I can't understand is how some here in America, and on this board, believe that people in other countries don't have national pride? Like it's no big deal if we kill some of their citizens because we were trying to kill others? Can you imagine if Canada blew up a house in Upstate New York killing 18 people and then said, "well we thought there was a terrorist there"? Why do some of you not understand that a sovereign nation doesn't want their citizens kill just because we think there might be terrorists in there? It's one of those things that, if your right and you get the guy people will let it slide, but if you just end up kill innocent civilians your going to catch hell. How many times should the Pakistanis let American war planes blow houses in their country before they are allowed to be pissed? 2?, 5? 10? Infinite? Put yourselves in there position? How long before you would get pissed?
Bush Concedes 30,000 Iraqis Dead; Would Do It Again (Other counts estimate 3 times that many) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1212Bush12-ON.html WOW!!! That's a lot of harborists.
If a terrorist moves to your town, are you harboring that terrorist? Or did he just happen to be near you? Who says they were being harbored? They may well have been harbored. I am not denying that at all, but I haven't heard or seen anything that indicates that. I somehow doubt that the children who died in that village were doing much harboring. Did you enjoy your premature celebration over the death of Al Zawahiri that didn't happen? Do you think the troops feel better because you celebrated prematurely?
Please point out my celebration. Thanks in advance. More proof that you see what you want to see, and are clueless to reality. Your mind is like a fantasy zone - a zone of make believe.
Do you mean when you heard the news and and criticized my waiting for confirmation that you didn't believe they had actally gotten Al-Zawahiri? Or did you believe they had gotten him, but weren't celebrating it? Why wouldn't you celebrate if you got the good news that Al-Zawahiri was dead?
That is what I am asking you. If you believed that they got Al Zawahiri(remember you criticized me for being skeptical that they had gotten him.) then why weren't you celebrating? Just who's side are you on?
Why are you asking me when you TOLD me that I was celebrating? Huh? Show me the celebration, FranchiseBlade. Show me the celebration. You can't. Oops.
Here is your chance to prove me wrong. You can claim you didn't celebrate and I will believe you, but then you need to explain why you believed they had killed the terrorist Al-Zawahiri and weren't celebrating. Or you can claim that you didn't believe they had killed him, but then you need to explain why you would criticize me and accuse me of not supporting the troops because I wanted to wait for confirmation. So please tell us, did you celebrate when you thought they got Al-Zawahiri or no?
didn't the US harbor the 911 hijackers? they lived, trained, and roamed freely here for a long time before the attack.. howbout saudi? most of the terrorists come from there? do we bomb them? or we can't because of our oil interests there..
