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Avery Johnson Believes We Have A Great Chance For LeBron

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheGreat, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. BetterThanEver

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    I forgot the team option on landry is $3 mil is not included in hoopsworld link.

    Here are the final numbers with the team option on Hayes and Landry exercised and a cap hold on Lowry.

    It brings the team salary to $50.3 mil.

    In the best case scenario, salary cap comes out high at $53.6 mil that leaves $3.3 mil to sign Lebron James.

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    Roster Count	Player  	2010-11  	running total
    0	Tracy McGrady 	  	$0.00
    1	Yao Ming 	$17,686,100.00	$17,686,100.00
    2	Shane Battier 	$7,354,500.00	$25,040,600.00
    3	Trevor Ariza 	$6,322,320.00	$31,362,920.00
    0	Brian Cook 	$0.00	$31,362,920.00
    0	Luis Scola 	$0.00	$31,362,920.00
    4	Carl Landry 	$3,000,000.00	$34,362,920.00
    5	David Andersen 	$2,500,000.00	$36,862,920.00
    6	Chuck Hayes 	$2,301,250.00	$39,164,170.00
    0	Brent Barry* 	$0.00	$39,164,170.00
    7	Kyle Lowry 	$6,104,988.00	$45,269,158.00
    8	Aaron Brooks 	$2,016,692.00	$47,285,850.00
    9	Joey Dorsey 	$947,140.00	$48,232,990.00
    0	Pops Mensah-Bonsu 	$0.00	$48,232,990.00
    10	Jermaine Taylor 	$810,000.00	$49,042,990.00
    11	Chase Budinger 	$783,000.00	$49,825,990.00
    12	Rookie Minimum	$473,604.00	$50,299,594.00
    	TOTAL 	$50,299,594.00	$50,299,594.00
    
    
    Roster
    Yao/Hayes/Landry
    Landry
    Lebron(for $3.3 mil LOL)/Battier
    Ariza/Budinger/Taylor
    Brooks/Lowry
     
  2. TMac4Life#1

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    Guys please!!!!!! LeBron is staying with the Cavs. Your boy is from Akron. He isn't going anywhere. Let it go
     
  3. kenwonobi

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    With every reply you keep taking money away as if we dont get what you are doing. I get it. You dont want us to get Lebron and are making up scenarios to not get him. I told you the way to get rid of all of those palyers and replace them with stiffs and we still win a championship going a little over the cap. You could replace Lowry with a nobody as a minimum over the cap signee and Landrys backup with a no name rebounder for the minimum over the cap and save alot of money up to get Lebron and even trade Battier replacing him with Lebron and sign a stiff backup and our team would still be better off. We would still field Yao, Landry, Lebron, Ariza, and Brooks as the starters. Budinger, our draft pick, Taylor, Andersen, and a bunch of backup scrubs or veterans minimum over the cap signees could win you a Championship. Thats if you get rid of Battier as well.
     
  4. BetterThanEver

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    That brings you back to the previous scenario and giving Lebron only $10 mil and this roster, that will be lit up by opposing PGs with Budinger guarding them.

    Yao(fouls,injuries?)/Andersen
    Landry/backup stiff
    LeBron(for $10 mil LOL)/Battier/
    Ariza/Taylor
    Brooks/Budinger
     
  5. BetterThanEver

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    You added Hayes and Lowry in the previous reply and didn't count the salary. I just added it in there for you.
     
  6. J.R.

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    Yes, please. Can we stop with this LeBron madness? Especiallly you Kenwonobi. You clearly dont understand and/or are not grasping with reality. Its not as easy as your making it to be. Its not renounce player x, renounce player y, renounce player z, sign LeBron, then sign some unknowns and yay we have LeBron. No. I know, we want LeBron too but it's not likely to happen. Let it go. We are not going to get rid of half the roster for one player then go off and sign some unknowns.
     
  7. kenwonobi

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    So you started out at 10 million yet know that I freed up about 10 million dollars you are back to 10 million again that you personally found to try and bring down the amount to convince me to not go after Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Nowitzki, and Joe Johnson? We could give up even less and get one of those players instead. I get it you are trying to deflate the amount left over after you already gave me the 10 million dollars as the starting point. Now somehow you added more since then. i cant take you seriously since the leagu is looking at the cap and came out with it publicly that more than likely it will be more like 54 to 56 million and not 50 million like you suggest in the first place. ;)
     
  8. BimaThug

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    THIS is where I think you are getting lost.

    The Rockets CANNOT go over the salary cap if they intend to use ANY cap space on outside free agents.

    For instance, the Rockets would need to renounce their rights to Kyle Lowry in order to even attempt to sign a guy like Lebron. This would make Lowry an unrestricted free agent, AND the Rockets would lose his Bird rights. If they wanted to re-sign Lowry at that point, it would have to be for the league minimum or nothing.

    Also, no other players can be signed if it would cause the Rockets to go over the salary cap. That's why it's called a CAP. Salary cap exceptions like the MLE would also not be available, since the Rockets have to choose between cap room and the exceptions. Only league minimum offers could be made. Nothing else.

    Hope this clears some things up for you.
     
  9. kenwonobi

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    This is not about Lebron you idiot. We could get alot of players for less roster moves and yes it is that simple. Roster moves. No his figures wouldnt be right because he caps moving the Cap space down every time give a scenario to complete the deal just to win the conversation. Then adding numbers then i have to add players so obviously my conversation started out feasible before you start to add Cap space going down with every single rebuttal and then add even more money off that isnt there. I really dont have to keep taking players off to get all of these players because the cap space he started out with in the first pace was 53 to 54 million then he moved it intentionally down to 50 million to refute my claims then added some players contracts after I subtracted enough of other players making me add even more scenarios which still be good enough to be better than what we have even if I took those into consideration.
     
  10. BetterThanEver

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    You said sign that player to something like T-mac for $17 mil at the beginning.

     
  11. Naija Texan

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    LeBron will ONLY consider Houston, if he has faith that his teammates here will be enough to get him a championship. He knows if he leaves Cleveland a lot of his hometown will still hate on him despite him doing everything in his power to bring one to that team.

    Although if the Shaq experiment fails, he won't be held to responsible because the Cleveland front office has failed for so long to get him quality help. I still think he will only really leave if the team he lands on is guaranteed a championship because if it is just about money he would stay in Cleveland.

    If the stars that are in Miami (Wade), Dallas (Dirk) or Orlando (Howard, Carter) stay put and offer him a chance to join up, I could easily see him going to one of the those teams. But if he can't play with Shaq, I doubt he will play well with Yao.
     
  12. kenwonobi

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    You arent getting it. You started us all off even Bima thug on 10 million dollars after a few non signings. Then we can make a trade to get rid of some money and get a cheaper player back as well. Then you can let go of all of these supposed players and get even more money back as well. Then after I gave you these totally logical scenarios you brought us down to 10 million again because you all of the sudden want to change our cap space from 53 to 56 million to 50 million just to make it impossible once again for me. You get what I am saying? I saw what you did there. The cap space at the amount left was 54 million in that 10 million scenario not 50 million like you changed the numbers to after I made those moves. ;)
     
  13. BetterThanEver

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    Not true. I used the $53.6 mil salary cap figure from Bimathug that he got from David Stern.

    Here is the league announcement about the salary cap.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11934726

    Here is the previous post with the bolded $53.6 mil salary cap figure.

     
  14. Uprising

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    Oh the irony.
     
  15. J.R.

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    Alright no need for namecalling :rolleyes: butkeep playing armchair GM. I'm surprised you dont work in the business. All so easy huh? And go ahead and keep tellin' yourself and keep dreamin' LeBron or Wade or some other superstar is on their way to Houston via FA. Ain't happenin' but I ain't the only one who thinks your wrong. Bima and BetterThanEver have explained it better. Perhaps you should listen to them. I am an idiot after all. :rolleyes:
     
  16. HPD

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    Even so you could sign someone with that money that is good. Some of you are idiots here. You wanted to keep Tmac instead of trade him while he was still good. i always wanted to trade him at max value. i tried to convine alot of you idiots but you wouldnt listen. I also did so on Yao for Amare while he was healthy. Again many of the same ones in here refuting my claims where idiots. It backfired on you and i am the only one with real credibility on the moves we could of shoulda done. You guys though didnt back any while it meant something. Now i am here to dig us out of the hole again while you guys pile dirt on with your negativity on who will will never get. Its just that I am a bigger fan of the Rockets and not the individual players. Some of you didnt even want Ariza and i pushed for him hard over Artest. its just that some of us are good with numbes and negativeity towards our team and others would have been better than you negative bancies at actually making the moves that bit us in the behind. Now you all hate Tmac after you could have had some of our backs on trading him. Now you all think Yao is soft and some of you call us the idiots after people like me warned you????
     
  18. BetterThanEver

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    What does a past coaching tenure have do to with speculation about potential FA signings in the summer of '10?
     
  20. kenwonobi

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    There were alot of mistypes in that paragraph but you get it. You made the bed not me. i wanted these moves done while we had the feasible options to do so. None of you wanted Yao or Tmac gone while we could get something for them and called me the same names. I am not the one who looked bad here in those decisions. Yao could have already got you Amare or Bosh and Tmac could have already got you Joe Johnson. The same people I am talking to you probably didnt agree as 90% on this board at that time was saying the same things to me back then as they are now. :p
     

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