Authorities Swarm Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch

Police generally handcuff anyone being arrested for a violent crime.

As far trying to prove the case against him, Califonia passed a new law that lets in alot of unsubstatiated evidence. The DA can go back to the interviews with the victim from the '93 case and introduce it as evidence even if the victim doesn't want to cooperate. From what I understand this evidence is what the case is based on.

I hope they get the freak, but even if they convict him and use that evidence it is gonna get overturned by a higher court. That law is just not constitutional. You have to be able to confront your accuser(s).

 

The police have to cuff you no matter if it is a violent crime or not. If you are being arrested, then you are getting the hardware.


Not that I know anything about that.

 

Okay, I did not know that. There seem to be some people here who are more familiar with the proceedings in the US in that kind of case .

Thanks.

 

looks like most of the people have made up theri mind.

 

Thank you, looks pretty damn close.

 

Why do people keep saying he's black? I guess his family would know, but the dude is whiter than my lilly white ass (and not nearly as cute, I might add).

 

The stats that come with his photo are disturbing, not to mention that he looks like a corpse. 5'11" and 120 pounds??? How is he alive? (I'm that tall, and even in my skinny high school days I weighed 140, and I'm female.)

No matter what he was or wasn't doing in the bed with those kids... I'm surprised they didn't just run and scream when they saw him up close. This is a sad case of self-mutilation (through surgery) and otherwise either bad health or not taking care of himself. Plus some creepy behavior, at the very least. I hate to see so many people defending him (and not even trying to get him some help) just because he's talented and famous.

 

I do think he's innocent until proven guilty. We can't hold his bizarre appearance against him.

The tough part about that cliche in this case is that enormous settlement out of court in the previous case. Technically, one can't consider that an admission of guilt, but geez.

 

It's weird... in a way, I have trouble believing all that Neverland stuff is entirely innocent, considering the secrecy around it, and the settlement in the previous case. On the other hand, with all the boys who have gone there, I'm surprised more haven't come forward with stories of abuse. Maybe this case will flush them out.

On the other hand, who wants to be involved in a case like this and have to testify... knowing the tabloids are going to find out your name and your life will never be the same again... it will be interesting to see. I think, if this stuff is happening, the stories or evidence should start coming forth soon.

Hopefully, someone is checking on the welfare of his kids... I always worried about them...

 

I am also reserving judgement. This issue will make me never try to listen to conservative talk radio again. All the callers and hosts have already hung the guy in their minds.

But I do have to agree with Isabel on one point, if you are going to adamantly defend the guy. At least admit that he's weird and probably does need some professional help. The guy expects us to believe he's had only a few surgeries on his apparence. I'll reserve judgement, but I can't defend him.

 

2 questions:

Given his questionable past (innocent or not), what parent is going to let their child sleep over at MJs?

If there is a hint of a possibility that something like that could happen - no way is my son or daughter sleeping over.

Given his questionable past (innocent or not), why would MJ invite a stranger's kid to sleep over?

If I've been through an accusation before, I'm not ever going to be alone in the same room with a stranger's child much less invite them over for sleep overs. I fear only a preditor would risk it twice.

 

This answers the questions about the parents. Surprised there isn't a civil suit.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjaccuser1.html
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The 13-year-old boy's father was arrested last year on a variety of child abuse charges, including counts alleging that the man, a 37-year-old supermarket employee, may have "endangered" his son's health through "cruel and inhuman corporal punishment" that resulted in "a traumatic condition." The boy's father pleaded no contest last year to a single misdemeanor charge of willful cruelty to a child (he finished a court-ordered parenting class, according to a January 2003 court progress report). Below you'll find the misdemeanor complaint filed against the man, whose name (and those of his children) we've redacted to protect the identity of Jackson's alleged victim.

In an October 2001 divorce petition, the man's estranged wife alleged that he once threatened to kill her and the couple's three kids, including the child who has accused Jackson of molestation. The account of the alleged death threat was included in the wife's application for an order of protection, which the woman--who has sole custody of her children--included with the divorce filing. A Los Angeles Superior Court judge granted the 35-year-old woman's request for a protective order, which the man was charged with violating last year when he was arrested in the child abuse case.

Details from the couple's matrimonial case, which is still pending, could presumably be used in an attempt to discredit the mother and, by extension, her son's abuse account.

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Well, with parents like that, this trial is already in question. Poor kid.

 

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!


BTW, I am also reserving judgment. Can't make up my mind.

 

ewwwww. don't know if everyone saw this "Rubba rubba" report. Where's the gag face when I need it.
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JACKO FLACKO
DA has enough evidence
'to nail Jackson'
Explicit letters seized in Neverland raid to form core of sex-abuse case

Posted: November 23, 2003
9:15 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Prosecutors say the centerpiece of their sex-abuse case against Michael Jackson will be a dozen or more explicit letters and poems believed written by the pop music superstar, which police seized during raids on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.

Yesterday, a source close to the investigation said, "The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," according to a report in the Sydney Daily Telegraph. "The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes. They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."

Twelve-year-old cancer victim Gavin Arvizo, who Jackson stands accused of sexually molesting, told law enforcement authorities the pop star's pet name for him was "Rubba."

According to the Telegraph's source, "The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police. He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'

 

This evidence just shows he's a psycho, not necessary a sex abuser though.

 

Conspiracy Theory 101

This episode is being orchestrated by Michael Jackson.

The child and family making these allegations will be shown to be a fraud and Michael will be exonerated. He will be venerated for the "years of injustice" he has endured. He has paid them.

He gets a ton of free press and publicity for his new album. He gets the shift in public perception to thinking that he has been the victim of a witch hunt. The public apologizes, buys his albums again and leaves his private life alone.

He goes back to quietly molesting little boys in the privacy of Never Never Land. The accusing child and his family go count their $$$ they got for their role in the "vindication of Michael" escapade.

Hmmmm...

Just random thoughts...

Carry on, nothing to see here...