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Austin Rivers on KPJ and Jalen: Someone needs to teach them to play the right way

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 8, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    It's not even just the isos - if you listened to the Rockets announcers last night, they got just as frustrated as we are with how the Rockets went away from the high energy ball movement at the beginning of the game. That was winning TEAM basketball. There were two people responsible for that: KPJ and Green. They started wanting to get theirs, and held on to the ball, rather than moving it quickly. KPJ wastes several seconds just holding on to it. It kills the flow.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, I did. I quoted Rivers, and added my own interpretation, which contradicted what Rivers said. As you said, that should not have been a big deal. The poster in question somehow got triggered by that and became unnecessarily hostile.
     
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    Wish it was a manifestation but have little hope. It is not a manifestation if it only applies to some players. When I see it done to KPJ, I'll believe something is cooking. KPJ holds his arm in shooting position standing still for about 3-4 seconds after shooting a 3. That kind of things have to stop first. And checking out on defense. I think these are much worse what Green is doing, after all he is just continuing to do what he has been doing all season, more importantly what he has been asked to do and what the head honcho has been doing as well.
     
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    If not KPJ, who?
    I don't see THAT GUY on the roster.
    Which is why our unbalanced roster is a significant part of the problem also.
     
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  5. YOLO

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    Like I said: So is the thread discussion about what Rivers actually thinks or OP and whatever he thinks. Its two completely separate things. That's the entire point.

    Until someone can point out (he clearly can't) where in any of the OP states "they need those vets" like rivers said, as I've mentioned many times, he can go kick rocks since he has this fantasy that its in there and that the message is its the coaching staff, when in reality it clearly isn't the advice being given
     
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    I said at the beginning of the year if we weren’t going to bring a guy like Augustine or Schroeder in again that this year would be wasted in the fact that we wouldn’t develop our guards
     
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    Projecting your own opinion is the biggest point of this forum, that's why i been confused...

    anyway, im back out to lurk mode again lol...

    Rivers said some interesting things, nothing revolutionary, yada yada potata
     
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    Tyus Jones would have been perfect.
     
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    Pro tip you trade players from crowded positions and aquire players from positions you dont have (pg)
     
  10. YOLO

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    not when youre using Rivers actual quote to convey a message he literally isn't giving. You clearly didn't need Rivers quote to project your own opinion into this. This is just another hate on the coach thread. And Rivers isn't even saying that. That's the point
     
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    And that idiot Silas!
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Rivers said it's not on the coaching staff.

    I said it is (also) on the coaching staff.

    I never said that Rivers said it's on the coaching staff. I even quoted the part where he said it isn't. But I said it. I think, regardless of what Rivers said, that it's (also) on the coaching staff.

    Is this really that hard to understand??? Goodness.

    Feel free to disagree with my assessment, but there was zero need for all that hostility. I merely responded in kind.
     
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    It's a coaches son with a pretty stinging comment. Considering the source, of course he's not going to call out the coach; but the reality is - both players on the floor, the coach and the gm share responsibility in the breakdown.

    the gm - for not putting vets out there
    the coach - for not pulling players when the continue to do asinine things (although you could say how can he pull KPJ when he has no legitimate point guard on the roster - points finger back at gm)
    the players - for not holding the two accountable (although you can say the players are all young and don't know any better with only Gordon and maybe Tate being experienced and knowledgeable enough to say something - points finger back at gm)

    I can ask my juniors to hold each other accountable for doing their respective workload - I can't hold them accountable for validating the quality of each other's work when they don't understand the full picture yet themselves. However, if I have some mid-level to senior level employees that know how to do it the right way - I can lean on them help guide the newbies.
     
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    you took what advice he was trying to give and the entire message of they need vets and turned it into its the coach. when he clearly said its not the coach.

    so again you didn't need Rivers quote if you're going to complain about it being a coach issue. You tried to dig into what he was saying as if he was conveying that message when he wasn't
     
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    No question. He's the worst coach in the NBA
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    Great post. That was all I was trying to say. It doesn't make sense to say it's nobody else's responsibility other than a veteran. Others are also responsible, that certainly includes the coaches who literally get paid for doing exactly that - teaching the players how to play the right way.

    I was posting from my phone on the first post, so I kept it brief, maybe that's why it was misunderstood.
     
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    Yeah, we were optimistic when they hired some good assistants before the season. I mean, Hollins is supposed to be a defensive guru, right? And they replaced Wood with Smith. We added Garuba and Eason, both are supposed to be good defender. But our defense is still one of the worst in the league.
     
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    Rivers is right. Unfortunately Gordon is our only vet and he aint it.

    Things need to get right development-wise, and SOON, or else this is going to be another Steve Francis type situation where young talent doesn't get developed properly and the team, and the players, suffer long term.
     
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    Weird reply to my post. I never said projecting your opinion was bad. I just agreed with YOLO that there is dissonance between what Rivers said and what ATW said. It's not really a big deal, but that's why so many people are discussing the discussion instead of discussing the quote.

    My stance is the same for the Rockets and Texans.... the rot starts from the core, whether it's Tilman Fertitta or Cal McNair. Burn it all down.
     
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