This seems to be the root of the problem. Just because something is unknown does not immediately mean the worst. I may not know the intentions and motivations of every single person that I meet, but I have the ability to trust that most people's intentions are harmless, at least until they prove me wrong. Athiests are the same way. Most of them are good people who simply believe that there is no God. That does not prohibit them from knowing the difference between right and wrong. Just because you don't believe in God does not invalidate you from having a conscience.
Then why does god not need a ceating force also, and is immune from your logic? You can't have it both ways.
Another thing that gets me about religious people talking about athiests (this comes from the "30 Days" episode I saw yesterday) is that religious types always seem to interpret "Atheism" as "anti-religion" which is not always the case as seen in the aforementioned program. There are certainly some anti-religion people out there who are athiest, but not all athiests are anti-religion.
of as Einstein say 'the thoughts of God' just because u know how he did it does not minimize the fact that he did it. Rocket River
I never said he didn't Just because God was created does not minimize his role in our creation anymore than you father is less because of your grandfather Rocket River
Most believers in god say he has no beginning. They say God is eternal, and we were created out of nothing. If god has a beginning, does he have an end?
or they say we were created out of dust. from the earth. i saw you said earlier that Christians believe we were not created from the earth. i don't think that's supportable in the scripture. from dust you were made and to dust you will return. it's part of the significance of Ash Wednesday in the liturgical churches...and it's why they scatter dust/ashes at a funeral.
Logic is a beginning. There's a tree of life that helps illustrates where all species branch off. The mystery of Evolution is a giant jigsaw puzzle. Genetics has been a great catalyst for identifying taxonony in present organisms and its ancestors. Humans didn't evolve from monkeys. They shared the same ancestor. Some animals have lasted for several hundred million years, but you can't use those as a reflection of the past. The catch to hindsight is that we're fixed from our current perspective by default. It's like assuming we have 5 fingers because Evolution made it the best possible choice, when we could have had 4 fingers and made the same assumption. Evolution can't be seen as a progression towards a higher being. It's an explaination for how organisms have reacted to their environment. As for the other questions, an evolution of one can be considered a mutation. Some mutations still allow cross breeding. Others are like bugs in software that lie dormant while the program is spread. A systemwide crash could be seen as an evolutionary event. More likely it's extinction. Ecology is fragile, but Evolution never stops. Environmentalism is primarily rooted in maintaining Human life through preserving our current ecology. Sex differentiation helps diversity. Asexualism has been found to have a slower rate in adapting to their environment. I posted a link to an AI experiment that's fantastic for explaining several Evolutionary questions. I'm not sure if this topic really needs to shift into a debate that's been repeated several times.
IMO, God has no beginning and He has no end. Kind of like time. I don't care how old the universe is but lets use 100 billion years old for a point. 100 billion years and 1 day ago there was nothing - I'm not going to describe what nothing is at this point as I don't think anyone but God can. But before there was anything, there was "this moment"...............to.............."this moment" - measured today as time. There may not be anyone there to track it or care about it, but it was there. And if the whole universe disappears tomorrow, there will still be "this moment".................to............."this moment". No beginning and no end.
Not that were were created out of dust but god made humans instantly out of dust through divine intervention. It claims that we were not born naturally from the earth/universe.
Below primates or the root ancestor? You can have healthy skepticsm over the origin. I do. Again the origin, has had a timeline of ~4-9 billion years to arrive. If you doubt the Big Bang, are you going to trash the rest of physics? Just wondering because you seem to have chosen one point and have disregarded everything else.
I find it funny that people who believe in creationism attack the Big Bang. The Big Bang is probably wrong, now scientics are looking into "little bangs" string theories that kind of thing, but for someone to attack a scientific principal when their own beliefs require no science at all I find strange.
Do we worship knowledge? Why is it so important that we have answers? Why is an atom designed and function the way atoms function? Why is the universe so large? Why is there life? What is the purpose? One thing about the human condition we all must grant- as far as we understand historically there is a spiritual conscienceness in the human family that has resulted in God or gods belief and there is also an opposite conscienceness that deems the spiritual regarding God or gods as false. Personally I don't want to know anything about a God that can be fully explained. If God is in my intellect class and I understand the universe as He does, well I have to agree with every atheist - that God does not exist. The man that has proven to himself there is no God is one sharp cookie. The man that can prove it to the world is - well, I might be tempted to call him- god. Just read this- godisnowhere
It's getting nice and rowdy in here.. But please let me interrupt proceedings, I have something I'd like to clarify: I have no issue with the idea of a creator/creating force, be it sentient or not. We could be the product of some freak alien experiment, for all I know. The Earth could be a dust ball on a cosmic creator dog's backside, for all I know I am also perfectly comfortable with using this idea of a creator to fill the many gaps in human knowledge. (Gaps? More like vast expanses of space.) That is why I don't consider myself an atheist. I'm closer to a deist/pantheist, but those aren't exactly it either My true religion, if you want to call it that, is something along the lines of Humans-Don't-Know-Jack****-But-Think-They-Do-Ism. I sometimes look around me and I find reality very surreal. I dunno. Maybe I'm a bad person. Maybe I'm an alien myself Thank you. Please, do carry on
The root ancestor. What is it? Do we have the same root ancestor as trees? I don't doubt the Big Bang (Big Bang is a theory though and it has nothing to do with physics), but if it did happen like that, I do doubt that any living thing could survive the explosion and release of that kind of energy without some help. And I do doubt that what I'm seeing out the window right now is came out of chance. To me, science and physics point to God's existance.
