What do you think the reaction would have been if, instead of ordering that the banner be removed, she instead ordered to have another banner put up next to it that had a similar, but secular message? Perhaps something that suggests gods don't exist just as much as the original suggests that one does? Would it still be considered harmless? Would no one take action to have it removed?
Not at all. Your right to freely speak about religion is protected by the US Constitution. A lot of people seem to be mixing up individual rights versus state sanction. This ruling has to do with the school as a state institution and not individuals expressing their personal religious views.
YES, she is an attention w****. NO, I would not be bothered by something atheist being posted on the wall. It's like walking in a room and seeing a Twilight poster. People are interested in vampires; what if others share that interest? Someone touched on it earlier and it's very true...some atheists just hate the word God so much that they freak out when they see it, and they begin ranting and asking questions when they hear someone believes in God. Freedom of speech. I recall reading a book in 7th grade in my English class and the narration had an atheist perspective. It said something along the lines of I believed in God once when I was a kid as well as the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Clause.....all that stuff my parents told be about. Guess what I did? I got up and put it back on the rack. Did I go about it like this attention w**** and get that book removed from her class? No. I left it alone, and continued with my life.
I was asking what the general reaction would be. Do you think others would choose to just ignore it as you say you would? Also, you couldn't have gotten that book banned if you tried. By law, pretty much anything goes in an English class, as long as it's being presented as literature and not fact. That includes the Bible. Could you clarify? Also, would you mind actually answering the question?
The ChiCom bastards tried and failed, the VC(Vietnamese Commies)bastards tried and failed, Christianity is flourished in those 2 countries despite imprisonments, tortures and retributions. Do you think 1 little devil attention w**** and you atheists here will stop the Gospels? Esteban don't think so!
oh jesus esteban. oh satan i said jesus! but anyways, please don't get ahead of yourself. step 2 (i.e imprisonment, branding and enslavement of all Christians) of the secret satanist homosexual agenda on god-fearing Christians is only going to be attempted in a year.
I think the real argument is about morality being attributed to God. Religious people correlate that their good fortunes (relatively speaking) is due to God. The banner is a representation that moral things like being kind, humility, being helpful, honest are because of God only. In addition, most religious people also correlate that immorality is due to the absence of God (or their specific religion). This is a dangerous assumption and leads to discrimination. The very fact that the banner was put up in the first place is proof of the correlation. Hence, I agree with the removal. Personally, I just don't think it is on the scale to where I would throw my time and energy on getting it removed. But good for her.
You are so awesome. I always enjoy your take no prisoner attitude. You should run for President nominee of the GOP, or at a minimum propaganda minister.
I don't want accuse you of avoiding the question, but I feel like you're avoiding the question. So let's say it's a formal request as opposed to an order. What then?
I can't speak for everyone else, but IMO free speech is free speech. Having the two said banners side by side would / should / could open up discussion and debate. How the discussion and debates are conducted rely solely on the the level of maturity and intelligence of both parties. Would it still be considered harmless? As long as the language was expressing the argument or belief and not just a personal attack against Christians or God, yes it would be considered harmless. ...and as long as it didn't express anything about the non existence of he Islamic god Allah, IMO it would be considered harmless. In Sydney Australia if you say anything about Islam it could incite a riot.
In the end, so what? . . as a Christian it means what is in your heart. The Atheist girl won nothing. As long as you can't take God out of your heart ... that is what matters to me. Besides, this school was an exception to what is typical at public school.. Private schools will have tons of these
