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At this point do you still want The Rockets to make playoffs or get the worst record?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by GreatOne1978, Nov 23, 2010.

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At this point, which do you prefer?

  1. Rockets make the playoffs

    112 vote(s)
    52.6%
  2. Rockets finish with a bad record to increase lottery chances

    101 vote(s)
    47.4%
  1. ZJP3

    ZJP3 Member

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    A true Rockets fan never wants their team to lose, no matter what the situation is. Play to win, no matter what.
     
  2. PeppermintCandy

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    I can understand how tanking helps a team in the long run. But personally I don't care for it because of my selfish desire to watch competitive basketball. I can even watch games where the team's severely outmanned and has little chance of winning. Because sometimes, with effort and smarts, David can beat Goliath.

    But if I think the team has gone into tanking mode, it's hard for me to maintain interest, let alone cheer for the team to lose.

    As I said, I understand how important a lottery pick can be, and I have my opinions about trades that should take place, but ultimately that's for the Rockets organization to figure out. In the end, I'm just happy to see a good, hard-fought basketball game.
     
  3. Zfan

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    I don't want tanking and it's not going to happen. To tank, they should not sign Brad Miller. To tank, they should give Hill, Lee and Chase more PT.
    They are playing bad because they're really bad. No tank.
     
  4. Don FakeFan

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    Because we are leading the pack except the Clippers but we have a lot chances to lose to them.

    We got great potential in terms of tanking.

    Hopefully this good start will result in good ending.
     
  5. liljojo

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    I've said it about the Texans, I'll say it again about the Rockets. I refuse to root for any team that tanks. You have fans that have supported you through thick and thin, some for 40+ years. You owe it to your fanbase to go out there and compete. If you build the best team you can, run them out there, and stink it up (as is the case this year), then fine. At least you're trying. We may end up with 70 losses, but if we scratch and claw our way to those 70 losses, I'll still be proud to call them my team.

    I don't care if we have the next MJ or Hakeem coming up in the next draft. Any team of mine that tanks is no longer going to be my team. At least until the entire front office is replaced.
     
  6. Qball

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    Oh wow, poll is tied at 137 to 137.
     
  7. ZJP3

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  8. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Feel free to leave if you just want a "feel good" team to root for, because the rest of us fans are rooting for the team to WIN. If tanking an already dismal season allows us to win next season and the seasons afterwards, I will be down for that. We had our feel good season last year.
     
  9. liljojo

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    Yea, because every good team got good by tanking their season. If your your management is good, it can produce a winning without being in the lottery year after year. If your management is bad, the team won't be good regardless of how many high first rounders are on the court.

    You don't win by losing.
     
  10. thetatomatis

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    They are not a playoff team no matter how much we pray for a comeback. So tanking is my direction. Morey really screwed the pooch the way he put the lineup together. Good players stats wise but as a team? Alot of holes in being one dimensional parts that dont work without each other in the lineup.
     
  11. chenjy9

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    Tell that to the Rockets when we tanked after Sampson went out and we were able to get some unknown named Hakeem. Tell that to the Spurs when they tanked after Robinson went out and they picked up this loser called Duncan who took them to multiple championships. You can absolutely win through losing. It just makes for a very unsatisfactory season, but still a small price to pay if we can throw the dice on a possible franchise player.

    This team is not good enough to win without a superstar franchise player. Considering none of the available stars seem interested in going to Houston at all and we can't pick one up through trades, that leaves us with (drumroll) the draft!
     
  12. chenjy9

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    Oh yea and while Roy seems to be having some knee troubles recently, we had the chance to get him too if we lost a couple of meaningless games. So yeah... you can absolutely win through losing.
     
  13. liljojo

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    I think a lot of us are forgetting that there are three ways to acquire players:

    1. Draft
    Tanking helps your draft position, but there are no guarantees that having the worst record will get you the first pick. In fact, the odds are against it. Also, even if you do get the first pick, there's no guarantee that your pick won't be a bust. Then you've wasted an entire season for absolutely nothing.

    2. Trades
    Teams don't want trash. They want players that will help them win. When you lose, people stop caring about you. When you win, people start noticing. I bet I could find 5 people who could name last season's Lakers' starting five a heck of a lot quicker than than the Nets' or Pacers' starting 5. Sure GM's know a lot more about the game than your average fan, but you can't tell me that the average Celtic is worth less than the average Wizard.

    3. Free Agency
    Unless they get to play for stupid money, no big name player wants to play for a losing team, much less a quitting team.

    So no, tanking doesn't help you win.
     
  14. nodstonothing

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    If the playoffs started today the Knicks would be in.
     
  15. smoothie

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    remember when winning 1 meaningless game cost us brandon roy?

    how about trying to win last year without yao? john wall would be pretty sweet right about now.

    being competitive is nice and all, but whats the point of being mediocre? ill take a sucky season or two if it means landing a real star capable of carrying the team.
     
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    Lets get real. We are not laning a superstar via trade or free agency. So we are tanking if possible and if smart to try and raft one. That silly argument for winning afew meaninglews games is silly and pathetic. We need a superstar. So draft one if possible.
     
  17. OkayAyeReloaded

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    If we are talking about what I would want ideally, I would want a healthy team that goes for it and goes deep in the playoffs, while NY sucks and we get their #2 pick.

    In the real world, I think Yao has had a two foot injuries in his teens, and has been injured every year for 6 consecutive years even while playing 24 minutes. He will never be long term healthy, and without him this team has next to no chance of winning a championship this year.

    I think Yao should be re-signed with a big pay cut and become a true off the bench role player like Big Z became.

    I agree with Raven that we should have every player available for a draft pick trade at the deadline. I also agree with Dakota that I always want my team to play for a win.

    Even if we trade for picks or not, we as fans pay too much money for jerseys, season tickets, and help the team generate TV and advertising revenue for us to accept anything less than the best product they can put on the floor. I'm not for tanking, but I am for trading our best players for draft picks and starting over that way.

    As for the poster who mentioned getting Hakeem and Tim Duncan by tanking (which is a very good point), for every Hakeem and Tim there is a Derrick Coleman, Joe Smith, Greg Oden etc. There are no guarantees in the draft, and there is still a chance the most solid pick could not pan out.

    I don't want to wallow in mediocrity either (I don't want to become the modern version of the 90's Charlotte Hornets), or tank. But if this team does not come together or get a superstar by the deadline, I am for the youth/trade for draft picks movement.
     

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