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At the elite colleges - dim white kids

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  1. thadeus

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    At the elite colleges - dim white kids

    By Peter Schmidt | September 28, 2007

    AUTUMN AND a new academic year are upon us, which means that selective colleges are engaged in the annual ritual of singing the praises of their new freshman classes.

    Surf the websites of such institutions and you will find press releases boasting that they have increased their black and Hispanic enrollments, admitted bumper crops of National Merit scholars or became the destination of choice for hordes of high school valedictorians. Many are bragging about the large share of applicants they rejected, as a way of conveying to the world just how popular and selective they are.

    What they almost never say is that many of the applicants who were rejected were far more qualified than those accepted. Moreover, contrary to popular belief, it was not the black and Hispanic beneficiaries of affirmative action, but the rich white kids with cash and connections who elbowed most of the worthier applicants aside.

    Researchers with access to closely guarded college admissions data have found that, on the whole, about 15 percent of freshmen enrolled at America's highly selective colleges are white teens who failed to meet their institutions' minimum admissions standards.

    Five years ago, two researchers working for the Educational Testing Service, Anthony Carnevale and Stephen Rose, took the academic profiles of students admitted into 146 colleges in the top two tiers of Barron's college guide and matched them up against the institutions' advertised requirements in terms of high school grade point average, SAT or ACT scores, letters of recommendation, and records of involvement in extracurricular activities. White students who failed to make the grade on all counts were nearly twice as prevalent on such campuses as black and Hispanic students who received an admissions break based on their ethnicity or race.

    Who are these mediocre white students getting into institutions such as Harvard, Wellesley, Notre Dame, Duke, and the University of Virginia? A sizable number are recruited athletes who, research has shown, will perform worse on average than other students with similar academic profiles, mainly as a result of the demands their coaches will place on them.

    A larger share, however, are students who gained admission through their ties to people the institution wanted to keep happy, with alumni, donors, faculty members, administrators, and politicians topping the list.

    Applicants who stood no chance of gaining admission without connections are only the most blatant beneficiaries of such admissions preferences. Except perhaps at the very summit of the applicant pile - that lofty place occupied by young people too brilliant for anyone in their right mind to turn down - colleges routinely favor those who have connections over those who don't. While some applicants gain admission by legitimately beating out their peers, many others get into exclusive colleges the same way people get into trendy night clubs, by knowing the management or flashing cash at the person manning the velvet rope.

    Leaders at many selective colleges say they have no choice but to instruct their admissions offices to reward those who financially support their institutions, because keeping donors happy is the only way they can keep the place afloat. They also say that the money they take in through such admissions preferences helps them provide financial aid to students in need.

    But many of the colleges granting such preferences are already well-financed, with huge endowments. And, in many cases, little of the money they take in goes toward serving the less-advantaged.

    A few years ago, The Chronicle of Higher Education looked at colleges with more than $500 million in their endowments and found that most served disproportionately few students from families with incomes low enough to qualify for federal Pell Grants. A separate study of flagship state universities conducted by the Education Trust found that those universities' enrollments of Pell Grant recipients had been shrinking, even as the number of students qualifying for such grants had gone up.

    Just 40 percent of the financial aid money being distributed by public colleges is going to students with documented financial need. Most such money is being used to offer merit-based scholarships or tuition discounts to potential recruits who can enhance a college's reputation, or appear likely to cover the rest of their tuition tab and to donate down the road.

    Given such trends, is it any wonder that young people from the wealthiest fourth of society are about 25 times as likely as those from the bottom fourth to enroll in a selective college, or that, over the past two decades, the middle class has been steadily getting squeezed out of such institutions by those with more money?

    A degree from a selective college can open many doors for a talented young person from a humble background. But rather than promoting social mobility, our nation's selective colleges appear to be thwarting it, by turning away applicants who have excelled given their circumstances and offering second chances to wealthy and connected young people who have squandered many of the advantages life has offered them.

    When social mobility goes away, at least two dangerous things can happen. The privileged class that produces most of our nation's leaders can become complacent enough to foster mediocrity, and less-fortunate segments of our society can become resigned to the notion that hard work will not get them anywhere.


    Given the challenges our nation faces, shouldn't its citizens be at least a little worried that the most selective public universities - state flagships - dominate the annual Princeton Review rankings of the nation's best party schools, as measured largely by drug and alcohol consumption and time spent skipping class and ditching the books?

    Should Harvard, which annually turns away about 2,000 valedictorians and has an endowment of nearly $35 billion, be in the business of wasting its academic offerings on some students admitted on the basis of pedigree?

    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...t_the_elite_colleges___dim_white_kids/?page=2

    For a long time, I believed that universities were a genuine meritocracy - one of the only genuine meritocracies in existence. But they're not. They're just as saturated with stupidity as any other place in the world.
     
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    For college admissions, the group that is really discriminated against by far are the Asian kids.
     
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    As long as college and universities are nothing more than money machines, there will be unfairness in academics.

    We pay college football and basketball coaches far more than tenured professors, and most athletes, especially star athletes, get a scholastic pass with wink and nod classes.

    The Australians cut the bottom 10% of each college freshman, sophomore, junior and senior classes, regardless of anything except scholastic ranking. We should do the same so that a college degree actually has value once again.
     
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    That doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, but I'd go even further and institute a strong affirmative action policy based strictly on income.

    We really need to make sure that the pathways to generational improvement stay open. Without those pathways, frustration will build, and as frustration builds, all of our stability is at risk. It doesn't matter what our problems are - if we can't have any stability as a culture, as a country, then we have no culture and no country.
     
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    No, I don't believe in crutches or head starts. Every student must enter the scholastic race as an absolute equal in the system's eyes. If a kid wants to be somebody, his/her genes are going to get him/her upstream.
     
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    I can't tell whether you're disagreeing or agreeing with me.

    At any rate, a strong affirmative action program based on income could actually take into account the extreme limitations that poor people in this country face. A kid from a poor neighborhood, with a single parent, who gets a 3.25 GPA is, in all likelihood, smarter and harder working than an upper-middle class kid who gets a 3.5.

    This isn't unfair - it's a recognition of the fact that ending poverty in America requires us to first recognize its existence and how it influences the people who have to live in it.
     
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    I have mixed feelings about this article. I go to Yale, and my experiences are by no means scientific, but wealth isn't wholly prevalent here, and it certainly isn't for me. Most of my friends are on financial aid, and don't come from particularly wealthy backgrounds. The truth is though, that often times kids from richer backgrounds are going to have a better opportunity to beef up their application (hard to do a ton of extra-cirricular activities if you have to work part time), and the article's quip that Harvard turns away valedictorians is kind of ridiculous, since being a valedictorian is a poor indicator, in my opinion, of college success. Same thing for SAT scores and GPA. I think the wholistic process is MUCH better for the college community.
     
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    I've heard that international students are prioritized because the fees are significantly higher for international students.
     
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    From the guy who supposedly went to Rice I find this response to the article particularly funny!
     
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    I am agreeing up to the point of giving one kid extra credit for being poor or one race over another or one creed over another or one sex over the other.
     
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    Harder working almost certainly. Smarter? How would you quantify that? For example, typically students who perform well on the SATs also have higher IQs. While I won't dismiss the fact that the upper-middle class kid in your example is more likely to have access to SAT prep courses, I'm not willing to attribute their higher standardized test scores purely to their social class.

    There's also the issue that the upper-middle class kid with a 3.5, who we'll assume lives in a nicer neighborhood with a better school system, is simply going to be more prepared for coursework at an elite university.

    All that said, I am in favor of affirmative action (even though I think it screws over Asians, with pirc alluded to), and there are definitely schools that admit entirely too many legacy kids for my liking. That said, there are plenty of state schools that, at the undergraduate level, can give most Ivy League institutions a run for their money depending on your program of study. And there is something to be said about the generous financial aid packages offered by schools like Harvard, Princeton, MIT, etc.

    As much as the the cost of higher education is spiraling out of control, I don't think that the admissions system is broken. At least not yet.
     
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    Well, more than half of my classmates at law school went to Yale, Harvard, MIT, Princeton, and other Ivies. I was initimated at the beginning, but soon found out we were more or less on par in terms of intellectual power and I didn't go to a Ivy for undergrad. School name is important; it's like your credit. However, as life and career progresses, there is much more than just where the person went for undergrad. So is it unfair for the rich un-deserving kids to get into top schools? Sure, but OTOH, such unfairness is just built-in a society, the same as inheritance, appearance, atheletic ability, on and on.
     
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    At Rice University whites are the minority -- they have to look offshore for talent.
     
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    Yup.
    Stereotypes suck.
     
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    I tend to agree with this
     
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    In other words - if you directly bring in revenue you get better treatment. Strings are pulled.

    College prepares you for the real world, well this is how the real world works. Andrew Luck made Stanford millions of dollars. What did Johnny Algorithm (of which he's really a dime a dozen) make for the school?

    Someones dad at Baylor buys them a new football stadium, what did Sarah Teacher do? Oh, you wanna let in Sarah Teacher over the guys son who just bought a stadium because she performed well in something so incredibly important as the SAT and high school?

    What someone does at ages 14-18 is supposed to carry more weight than cold hard cash? Yeah right.
     
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    What did the Bill Gate's parents give to Harvard? How much do you think Gates gave to Harvard?
     
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    1st off, if you get a 1600 SAT you're getting in. 2nd, you're suggesting playing the lotto. Turning down cold hard cash for an unknown. So a dropout donates... it's not the norm. No sane person would run a business that way.
     
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    That is only for public universities.
     

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