Also, 610 John Lopez and Cody Stoots were being incredibly disingenious on the radio today with regard to Luhnow. They were reading the Rosenthal "article," but leaving out material parts and painting it in a way that just made Jeff Look bad. What Major pointed out above is one of the things they did - cite the part of the article that stated Padres weren't asking for any Top 100s, while ignoring the next sentence about that being disputed by two other clubs in discussions with them. Just poor radio this morning. EDIT: On second thought, reading above, maybe CometsWin is one of them... #sad
No, if a team claims him (or the team with priority if multiple teams claim) then that's the only team the Tigers can trade with. If nobody claims him, then the Tigers can open up trade discussions until August 31st with any team.
The charmin Houston media isn't going to make any GM's in this town lose sleep or be concerned any time soon.
I don't care about Luhnow's 7 hours of sleep, I just find it annoying if a town of semi-educated fans run around spitting the same false narrative that they're pushing. I expect more from radio hosts, which maybe is on me.
And I love the last sentence of the article: "The Astros had three trades for relievers lined up on Monday. And the only one they completed was for Liriano, a pitcher who is not a guarantee to help" Does that mean Britton, Wilson, Darvish, Gray, etc. are guaranteed to help? It's a terribly worded sentence.
You're talking about one player. There were dozens of players traded throughout the league for players that wouldn't fall in the Astros top 5 or 10. Everyone knows this team has the best chance in history of winning a World Series. Luhnow chose to keep his prospects rather than try to improve those chances. You guys like to paint Luhnow as some kind of genius because of this team's performance this year but he inherited three of the four best players on this team. Luhnow didn't handle the deadline well in a season that he absolutely needed to do so in order to give us the best opportunity to win a World Series. It's quite obvious that there are things that Luhnow does better than others but the need for many of you to defend anything Luhnow does is just silly. In a more critical media market Luhnow would be getting roasted right now but you guys love to coddle your guys.
It's not about coddling anyone. It's genuinely believing in his approach and trusting the process. I for one am very glad he didn't trade away our prospects.
And of course, the Orioles have their version of what went down... ...which goes completely against Rosenthal's acccount.
Or for me, I believe that no GM will do everything perfectly--and more importantly, we'll rarely have enough information to truly know if a mistake was made, and how severe the mistake is (given how much information we/the media have vs. the GMs involved). But I think he's smart, trying as hard as he can, and approaching problems with the right level of scrutiny and thought. And I think he's smart enough to learn from his mistakes. That's what I ask for, and then I live with the results. If he's an idiot consistently, it'll result in losses--both short- and long-term. And he'll be fired. But using singular decision points to judge severely is silly to me because it's ignoring the body of work, ignoring that many mistakes will be made (sometimes they'll be in moves made, sometimes in moves not-made), and ignoring that the best people will learn and improve over time--in general and from mistakes.
Don't forget that the Rangers paid a high price last deadline for players that got them nowhere. I am sure they would like Tate and Brisbon back.
Yea, because the Rangers are an old team who didn't want to admit they need to protect the farm and werent going to win anyways. We are a very young team with a solid core for a couple years who were already having a historic season that just needed a little help. Completely different, and we would be fine without a few prospects. Too many people here looking to 2025 and enjoy watching AAA every night. If you think Tucker and Martes have a better chance to bring us to the WS in 2023 than Britton or Gray did THIS YEAR then I don't know what to tell you. (Not you specifically Nook, just people in general).
Verlander has cleared waivers and can be traded to any team (assuming he is willing to waive his no-trade clause).
You later mention 2023... You're in for a rude awakening. Keuchel's deal is up in '19; Altuve's '20; Springer's '21; Correa's '22. Literally the entirety of our young core, minus Bregman & McCullers, will all require deals before 2023 and certainly 2025. If fans understood the pending financial bloodbath awaiting this roster, I think they'd have a better understanding of the Astros' philosophy. I don't think there's ANY chance Keuchel is here in '20. In that light, hoarding Martes and Whitley makes more sense. If you accept that Springer likely isn't here in '22, it'll help you understand why they value Kyle Tucker so much. The Astros are not viewing this as one-and-done; they want to build a sustainable winner. You do that by being patient and careful in trying to reach short AND long-term goals.
Astros get: Justin Verlander $30mil in salary relief Tigers get: Franklin Perez Colin Moran Jon Singleton Gilberto Celestino We get some help with the $$$, and the Tigers get one high end prospect, one top 10 guy, a reclamation project and a high ceiling lotto ticket.
There's never been a sustainable winner that allowed all their home-grown talent to leave, and plugged/played replacement prospects, and continued to win. The Astros are going to have to extend at least one or two of their stars to have even a potential chance of sustained success. The Cardinals at one point locked up Pujols long-term, Rolen/Edmonds were extended, Carpenter long-term, Wainwright long-term, Molina long-term... the Braves did the same with their guys in the 90's. Hell, the Drayton Astros did the same thing.
