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Astros trade for OF/C Evan Gattis

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rocketpower2, Jan 14, 2015.

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Do you like this trade for the Astros?

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  2. NO

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  1. sealclubber1016

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    Thus far Marisnick has posted a LD% of 25%, and unlike Dominguez he isn't glacially slow. I can easily see Marisnick posting a .270/.315/.400 type line.
     
  2. juicystream

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    Except Lee had more success in Milwaukee and Chicago as a LF, and he still played half his games on the road while with the Astros.

    Gattis does not belong in LF. It is Carter in LF all over again.
     
  3. Joe Joe

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    Poor choice of words by me. Astros were horrendous last season. Besides Conger, Astros front office isn't doing much to help the pitchers this winter.
     
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  4. Nick

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    Yes... ideally he's a DH/1B and occasional C... but I bet they get away with playing him in LF for at least 6 or so innings of games where they want all their right handed power sticks in the lineup.

    Hell, I still expect to see Carter play some LF at times (again, all at MMP).
     
  5. juicystream

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    His higher K-rate offsets his speed advantage in terms of average.

    If he lowers his K-rate to about 20%, and gets his BB-rate up to 5%, he becomes that type of player.
     
  6. Nick

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    They could also probably look to getting more quality pitchers... as opposed to just "helping" the mediocre ones that are still there.

    Also, scoring more runs helps pitchers... even if you think they're at a net negative defensively right now.
     
  7. sealclubber1016

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    Yep, this is a very bad fielding sqaud as is.

    Singleton, Altuve, Fowler ,Lowrie and Gattis/Carter are all sub-par to terrible. Whoever we play at 3rd is likely average at best. As is, Springer appears to be the only everyday player who may be a plus defensively.
     
  8. Major

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    Just how terrible is Gattis at catcher? It seems like if they can play him there, that solves a lot of issues/questions. He's a good offensive OF/1B/DH, but he's a great offensive catcher. Assuming Marisnick is the guy getting benched if Gattis goes to LF, is it worth the downgrade at defense at catcher to upgrade the defense in the outfield (moving Fowler to LF, adding Marisnick)?
     
  9. juicystream

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    Singleton stunk defensively last year, but has always received positive reviews about his ability at the bag. I think he'll clean up those errors he was making last season. His range is above average.
     
  10. juicystream

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    Experts think he doesn't belong there, and his CS% was terrible last year, but I think it is his best position.
     
  11. Joe Joe

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    I'd rather have Fowler in CF than Gattis catching.
     
  12. sealclubber1016

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    I'm curious myself. Pitch framing is still a very esoteric stat, but it seems one that the Astros value highly. His CS% is sub-par, but not abysmal.

    We'll know how the Astros view him depending on what happens with Castro, and I don't think the Astros have any plans for Gattis at catcher.
     
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    And his back and knee issues probably lessen his chances of catching even further
     
  14. Nick

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    6'4...260... he really is a bear!

    I would think he's this team's main DH/1B going forward with cameos in LF at MMP on days where we need as much right handed power in the lineup as possible.
     
  15. juicystream

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    Keith Law:

    [rquoter]In dealing a trio of prospects for Evan Gattis, I really don't understand what the Astros are doing. The prospect depth they have in their system could allow them to acquire a player of a much higher caliber than Gattis, preferably a younger one as well, someone who's going to contribute to the next good Astros team in a few years. Atlanta, meanwhile, has gone from a bottom-five system in baseball to likely a top-10 system, overhauling its major league roster while adding a broad mix of near- and long-term talent to its farm, in this case trading a player somewhere near the apex of his value for a very strong return.

    Houston gave up too much for a powerful but flawed player like Evan Gattis.

    Gattis is already 28 years old, coming back to pro ball late after several years of off-field problems, and he brings four years of control. In two not-quite-full major league seasons, he's shown big power, poor defense, horrible on-base skills and huge platoon splits -- killing lefties but posting a .241/.297/.469 line against right-handers with enormous problems against right-handed breaking stuff. While Houston is a good ballpark for dead-pull right-handed power hitters, he's virtually positionless and doesn't address the Astros' major needs for hitters who get on base or at least make more contact. He also has disappeared in the second half in both of his years in the majors -- whether due to physical wear and tear or inability to make in-season adjustments -- and his body isn't durable. He's probably a bench guy, or a platoon player, but not a full-time solution at any position. The Astros also picked up James Hoyt, a hard-throwing (93-97 mph) right-hander that Atlanta signed from an independent league for $500 after the 2012 season, a good bet to provide some value in middle relief right away.

    In exchange for Gattis, Atlanta gets three prospects with question marks, but all of whom are legitimate major league prospects with real asset value today. Mike Foltynewicz is the big get, and I would have traded Gattis for him alone. Folty is a high-beta prospect with the upside of a potential No. 1 starter if he can develop a more consistent arm slot and find an average third pitch to go along with an 80 fastball and 70 curveball. He drops down on the fastball at times and comes back up to get depth on the curveball, a trick that major league hitters will exploit. His changeup will show plus, and ditching his slider (which he did early in 2014) may help him spend more time working on the change, but the change isn't good enough now to keep lefties from sitting on his four-seamer. Drafted in the first round in 2010, he's never seen the DL, and has the size and frame to be a durable 200-inning starter. His floor is a Nate Eovaldi type, and he'd be a wipeout reliever, but Atlanta has to develop him as a starter and hope the changeup comes along to the point where he can lead their rotation in 2017.

    Third baseman Rio Ruiz has developed nicely as a hitter, showing outstanding patience -- his walk rate put him among the top 10 percent of minor league hitters this year, even though he was just 20 in a high-A league. Lancaster is a tremendous place to hit, however, and his power output was a little light given his home environment. He has good natural feel to hit and much of his contact is hard, but his load is getting too deep with his weight too much on his back side, interfering with his timing and reducing his ability to drive the ball out. At third base, he has the hands and arm, but he lacks rhythm in his feet and the ball tends to play him unless he's coming in on it; he has a chance to play at third, although it's at least 50-50 that he moves to first. Unlike a lot of young left-handed hitters, he has no real problem facing lefties. He projects as something similar to what Matt Carpenter has become for the Cardinals -- a high-OBP doubles hitter, a little less glove, a little more pop -- if he can stay at the hot corner.

    Andrew Thurman was a command right-hander when the Astros took him out of UC Irvine in the second round in 2013, then started hitting 95-96 in spring training last year, only to head to the cold weather of the Midwest League and struggle with his control. He'll pitch with a 55 fastball and shows three potentially average or better secondary pitches, but nothing is plus and he has to throw strikes to succeed. I still like him as a potential fourth or fifth starter, but that assumes he can harness his newfound velocity and stop walking guys. Of the three players Atlanta got back in this trade, he has the lowest ceiling and the lowest probability, the latter due to his difficulty against low-A hitters last season.

    There's a good chance Atlanta walks out of this deal with an above-average starting pitcher and an everyday third baseman, which would be a heck of a return for a flawed player such as Gattis. The Astros get four years of control of Gattis, and if they choose to use him behind the plate on occasion, the acquisition might free them up to trade one of their many catchers ... but is this the kind of player the Astros should be trying to acquire right now? They're not contenders this year, probably not in 2016, and by 2017 Gattis will be turning 31 and past peak, which we've probably already seen. I have no objection to the Astros trading from their passel of prospects to add real major league talent, but they should be aiming higher than an OBP sinkhole who doesn't add value on defense. Foltynewicz is well-regarded throughout the industry, and I think he could have headlined a package for a much better player, now or during the 2014 season.[/rquoter]
     
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    Keith Law is a cornball
     
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    Keith Law hates everything we do, no shock.
     
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    It's amazing how Folty all of sudden developed "potential #1 starter" upside in Law's eyes, after he was traded.
     
  19. juicystream

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    He rated us #1 farm system not that long ago.

    He's very opinionated though, and he is my least favorite of the big name prospect evaluation guys.
     

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