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Astros Trade Deadline Rumblings Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by cardpire, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Two years ago? They were a hurricane away from a probable playoff spot.
     
  2. J.R.

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    Is he saying odd name from our team is popping up with other teams?
     
  3. rockets934life

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    Paredes is a HIGH Ceiling guy who can play third, SS or 2b and has the potential to be a power hitting infielder but he is 21 in low A ball and has been inconsistent to say the least thus the low ranking.

    Melancon was the Yanks closer of the future but is having a so-so year at AAA, has a good fastball, nasty 12-6 curve and good mental makeup. He was their 6th rated prospect.
     
  4. rockets934life

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    I am thinking Wandy but honestly don't know?
     
  5. J.R.

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    SI_JonHeyman
     
  6. jopatmc

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    Wandy, Myers, Pence, and Bourn should all go. Wandy is 31, Myers is 29, Bourn is 28, and Pence is 26 or 27. We might as well dump the whole bunch and bring in all college kids. We should be able to get a good haul for Pence.
     
  7. rockets934life

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    Wow Wade has balls but smart move by the Mets not taking that, to steep a price for a team on the fringe. Now the Twins and Sox who are fighting for a division, they might cave for a guy with a 3.10 ERA.
     
  8. Scolalist

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    Pence is still a guy who will be in arbitration in 3 years when the Astros should be contending again. Plus, its not like we won't have the money to resign him. He's worth the investment and puts people in the seats.
     
  9. Scolalist

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    Ed Wade shooting for the moon again. :rolleyes:
     
  10. rockets934life

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    Okay interesting couple of tweets, a Mets blogger tweeted this just now....


    matthewcerrone @SI_JonHeyman - also, astros wants kyle gibson from twins for myers. this market is about prospects, not money

    This is interesting because there is a guy, a nobody, on twitter saying a deal with the twins is close for this....

    aBagorn Offer includes RH Kyle Gibson, 3B Danny Valencia and an unnamed IF in exchange for Myers and AAA reliever Mark Melancon

    I wasn't going to post it because the guy never responded to me about sources but now two people have brought up the name Kyle Gibson, should be an INTERESTING 6 hours... :grin:
     
  11. leroy

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    Gotta start somewhere.
     
  12. xcrunner51

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    Not with the contract albatross that is Carlos Lee still around.

    At this point I think Hunter would garner a much better package than Roy or Puma did. The facts that he's still relatively young, has had several solid seasons, 1 all star appearance and is cost controlled for several more seasons means that he's incredibly valuable.

    According to fan graphs, Pence is averaging about $14.5 mil per season in value while his salary has been a fraction of that. Even in his upcoming arbitration years he won't come close to that number so he'll be a bargain for whichever team he plays for. I think we could get a top 50 prospect for him if not better.

    I mean why waste those valuable years of his when we're not competing?
     
  13. leroy

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    Well, a random nobody scooped the Berkman deal hours before anyone else. Who knows...maybe this guy is right.
     
  14. jopatmc

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    Kyle Gibson......git 'er done. Don't care if it costs us Pence instead of Myers. If you can get Gibson and Valencia for Pence and the new reliever, you gotta take that trade. There's one of your 5 to 10 good, young arms that could turn into something.
     
  15. Scolalist

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    Woah! Gibson is #3 and Valencia is #6 on BA's top 10 Twins prospects. :cool:
     
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    Which is why I was weary of even posting it because it seemed to good to be true but when the Mets blogger brought up the Kyle Gibson part also I figured that was something to look into to.
     
  17. Scolalist

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    I would only do it for a legit #1 prospect like a Shelby Miller or a Jesus Montero. It has to be something worthy of that to trade an all-star caliber player who's under club control for 2-3 more years.
     
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    Twins need starting pitching not offense, I mean their "O" isn't great except lately but pitching is a priority with those guys. I would have said something like Lindstrom/Myers but with them getting Capps, I don't see anyone who we could package with the exception of Keppinger maybe with Myers.
     
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    Interesting sub-plot today, Wandy starts tonight so we should have a fairly good idea if he gets moved early on today. If he is scratched you know the gig is up but if not then its a safe bet he stays. The deadline is 3 central right, so maybe 2ish the lineup cards are up?
     
  20. Major

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    They were a hurricane away from an outside shot at a miracle. At the time of the hurricane, they were 3 games out of the wild card and tied with another team, with 3 weeks to go. They were about to play what was, by far, the best team in baseball at the time in the Cubs. Some numbers:

    Cubs, run differential for the season: +184
    Brewers: +61
    Mets (leading the division, but got passed by Philly): +84
    Philly: +119

    Astros: -31

    (Best team in the AL was at +151)

    The series with the Cubs in Milwaukee certainly sucked, but the Cubs had a pretty good shot of winning at least 2 out of 3 anyway. While the Astros were hot, the Cubs were crushing teams all season long. If the Astros had made it, it would be through an amazing run of their own combined with amazing collapses by both Milwaukee and the Mets (who did collapse). And given the run differentials, it would have been pretty fluky/miraculous - it's not what you build a team around.

    After the failures in 2007, and looking at the contracts and farm system the team had at the time, I think it was pretty clear to many people what direction the team was headed. They chose to play for a "miracle last hurrah" at the expense of the future. To their credit, they almost pulled off the miracle, but it was clear back then that the long-term result was going to be where we are today. I would argue that you could start seeing the direction back in 2007 as well, when they made the first of the "trade young/cheap assets for short-term rentals" with Jennings.
     

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