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Astros pushed for Andy/Pettite and Clemens were "frustrated with Astros team culture"

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Oski2005, Dec 5, 2007.

  1. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

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    I'm thinking it's a lot easier to spend $300 million of someone else's money than if it was your own! :D
     
  2. msn

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    If you believe this the rest of your life, it is likely you will never have one million dollars, much less one billion.

    If you had 10 C-notes ($1000), and I took three of them, would you be pissed? 30% is 30%, and it is substantial no matter how many zeroes there are at the end of the figures.

    Quoted for truth.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    According to published reports, although Pettitte opted out of his contract, there is an agreement that he will get the exact same money as if he had not opted out if he chooses to sign with the Yankees.
     
  4. Major

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    What if he plans to give a chunk of that to charity? Should he throw $30MM a year into the Astros for no reason when that could go to more beneficial causes?

    What makes you think adding money would make this franchise substantially more successful? It's arguably already the 4th most consistently successful franchise over the past 10-12 years behind Boston, NY, and Atlanta (maybe add the Cards in there). There are plenty of teams that spend money and don't win any more than they did when they weren't spending.
     
  5. MadMax

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    By the way...Andy's account is that God told him to go to New York. His words. If that's true, then far be it for Drayton to interfere with God's will.
     
  6. Oski2005

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    It's not like Drayton's networth is 1.2 billion just sitting in a bank account, the majority of it is $800 million in shares of Wal-Mart he owns

    Guess where the other 400 million of his projected net worth is coming from.:rolleyes:
     
  7. weslinder

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    How did Pettitte and Clemens know that the Astros weren't 100% committed to winning?

    They expressed interest in signing Pettitte and Clemens.
     
  8. rhester

    rhester Contributing Member

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    and do what?
     
  9. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    God told me to make fun of Andy's asschin.
     
  10. gunn

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    I love how when anyone says anything about Drayton not spending enough money all the homers come out to lynch that person.
     
  11. yobod

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    Exactly! I'm sick and tired of hearing the argument that Drayton doesn't spend enough. The man spends plenty. If anything, I would buy an argument that he spends in the WRONG spots, but that's about it. The Astros recent failure has nothing to do with not spending enough (he spent $120M on TWO players this offseason); it has everything to do with the fact that we have no farm system, and no depth. If Pettitte and Clemens want to use the fact that the Astros "don't have a winning culture" as an excuse for their money-grubbing, then that's more a knock on their own character than anything Drayton could have done. If anything, Drayton has brought winning baseball to a mid-market team, which in this economy, is really, really hard to do. There have been few teams in our market size that have been as consistent as the Astros over the last 15 years.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    LOL, yeah I was thinking the same thing. I knew that's how the thread would be before I even opened it.

    Not sure who is right, but it seems like Pettitte/Clemens agree with the anti-Drayton side.
     
  13. Major

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    I love when people come and whine about our owner treating his team like a business like every other owner in the league. I also love when people come in and say someone else should run a business inefficiently and lose money so they can personally be entertained.
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Except we dont know exactly how much he is making or losing. We dont really know if he's running it like a business or being cheap.
     
  15. Major

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    We do know his payroll numbers, attendance and market size. Compared to other owners, he's running it pretty similarly.
     
  16. msn

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    Who's lynching Aces? A bunch of posters jumped on his inaccurate commentary. The only ad hominem in this entire thread, so far, has been yours.

    The ridiculous notion that the Astros don't spend money has been shot down by solid facts over and over and over and freaking over again ad nauseum. If a bunch of people jump all over such drivel, I'm sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

    Five stars.
     
  17. TheFreak

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    Continuing to start Biggio at 2nd and lead him off every game so he can get 3000 hits is not being 100 percent committed to winning.
     
  18. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Yet Clemens has no problem taking money from him with his personal services contract.
     
  19. gunn

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    In essence, you're saying that all the owners in the league are equally committed to winning? And if you know how much money Drayton is clearing why don't you let me know.
     
  20. ima_drummer2k

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    I think "not 100% committed to winning" actually translates into "not willing to pay me what I want them to pay me."

    :rolleyes:
     

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