Astros OK if they stand pat?? i dont think so, Jim Molony does!

No he didn't. He simply stated that he wasn't going to take non-stop losses when he's been asked about it. Please find the whining.

 

bingo. which is why ensberg and/or the team sitting on their hands for five weeks while he consistently proved night after night that he wasn't anywhere near right has made him the focus of most of our wrath, mine included.

you can cite 1 or 100 things the astros have blundered this year, but those five weeks rank #1 without a doubt, imo.

 

And they say the bird flu can be transmitted human to human now.





if it makes you that miserable, please stop watching.

 

You realize we were linked to players such as Tejada and Abreu in the offseason, right? Both of those players cost $10-$15MM per year.

 

yeah, but they didn't get traded to anyone. so that's mclane's fault, remember.

 

Yup, he's been terrible at spending money. I mean, getting to the NLCS and World Series last year was just horrid.

What owners in baseball spend their money better?

 

I don't give a **** if anybody watches or not, but stop subjecting the rest of us to 3rd-rate espn message board bull****.

Take a deep breath, use your brains, and try to raise the level of discourse to something approaching coherent adult thought.

 

dude, pot down the elitist tone. discussions may not always rise to a mensa level, but no one here is illiterate, and therefore, you do yourself no favors by portraying them as such. most of the rancor comes out of frustration; having a better handle on it doesn't make your stance, or you, superior.

mcclane's a great owner. as clemens, pettitte & biggio wrap up their careers and we enter a pseudo-rebuilding phase, people will get a better perspective of this and come to appreciate the past decade.

but right now, everyone's jonsing for the playoffs - they're fun; it jazzes the entire community and it gives us something positive and upbeat to discuss in the midst of a lot of downbeat stories these days. i know i for one will really miss playoff baseball. we've been spoiled.

 

We're going to have something like $40 million coming off the books. Recent history has given us no reason to believe they won't take action in the offseason, especially with that kind of money freed up.

We signed Jeff Kent, Andy Pettitte, and Roger Clemens the last couple of times we had roster space and money to do so. We got Preston Wilson, who hasn't been spectacular, but there were really no better alternatives.

They're going to make a run at somebody, and the odds are pretty good seeing as we have a lot of money, a pretty good team of late, and Houston is a cheap place to live. They're not going to sit on their hands.

As far as this season, it is still far from over. This is a huge series, but we're still in freakin July. I'm not saying we should be betting on another spectacular run, but if the past two seasons have taught you anything you don't pronounce this team dead in July.

 

Clemens is great but maybe a great bat would have fit the bill better.

 

Oh, so it's like that? Okay ... anyone NOT on this list.

World Series Facts


Teams that have never won a World Series:

Brooklyn Robins,
Colorado Rockies,
Houston Astros,
Milwaukee Brewers,
Montreal Expos,
Seattle Mariners,
Tampa Bay Devil Rays,
Texas Rangers,
San Diego Padres,
San Francisco Giants,
Seattle Pilots,
St. Louis Browns.


Hey look, it's MadMax!

 

not true. he owes bagwell the money. the insurance company has already made its ruling.

 

EXACTLY!

These guys have all the answers though. We're fine.


Diehard - I hope you're right. I'm with ya. Good post.

Now I await MadMax ... maybe he's gonna tell say something about my mother next? Cool.

 

1. i don't get the picture. help me out with that.

2. is your mother an astros fan?

3. the astros have been around for about 45 years. mclane has owned the team for about 12. are you putting the fact the astros haven't won a world series on drayton mclane??

4. did debbie downer really piss you off that bad?? seriously, the astros are making you miserable. stop watching. it can't be good for you.

 

The picture is that of a guy standing inside of a large condom. A dick.


Yeah, you're right. They kinda make me miserable. I should stop watching, but I'm a glutton for punishment.

Take care, Max.

 

Sorry, Ric, but there's nothing wrong with having a minimal tolerance for bull****. There's a whole bunch of great posters around here, and there's a whole bunch of great baseball talk we could be having, but it all gets drowned out in a cacophonous sea of repetitive "whaaaaaaaa".

Raise the bar.

 

Exactly...We're not getting any return on Bagwells $$$ and frankly, none of guys the backloaded contracts are worth that kind of money...

 

just wanted you to say it instead of hiding behind a picture.

 

45 million off the books and a big contract to be offered to Roy and hopefully money to spend on free agents. Salaries are still money, and a team can only hope to build something that can COMPETE for a playoff spot and hopefully win from there. There are about 30 ML teams and if only the title means something to you, then fans from one city will have to wait AT LEAST 30 years to be happy about anything. Worse hitting team, yes, but technically, the same team made the run last year and the Astros chose to stick with the team thinking that the young players could get better. So kudos to the White Sox trying to improve, but it could easily have backfired as well, losing Rowand and prospects of the future. The Astros chose to ride their young players that were performing at a high level last year, and money was spent there. So if the team struggled (together), then it's more likely the player's fault, and probably deserves more blame than the management that showed their faith in these players.

The other thing is, why does everyone assume that there's a DECENT deal here that could make this team that much better? Money is one topic, but guess what?... the good to great players are usually TAKEN by other teams. Everyone wants these prospects to be traded, and that's a very short-sighted assumption. No one mentioned what could happen after these $45 million gets off. Who are replacing these "star" players? If we traded our future for Tejada and he demands a trade after this season, then what?

As for the comment earlier, I was not based on one individual, so no, I did not get people messed up. My message earlier was for the general public's assertions for the most part. I don't always agree with what the management is doing, and I sure as heck want the Astros to improve. But to blame that as an excuse to say how Drayton is being tight with money is ridiculous. 106 million is 106 million, whether or not Bagwell's in it or not. You can't say because Bagwell's injured, then this roster is only worth 88 million. REGARDLESS of Bagwell's situation, Drayton pays 106 million THIS year, and that's more money than what almost anyone is spending. The Houston sports market is relatively small, and if the Astros have to rebuild one day, look for him to lose some money during those years due to less fans showing up. It's a sports team, but it's still a business and it's a lifestyle for one Drayton McLane. Money management is important, no matter how much you have. When you throw away millions EACH year for a chance to win, you could easily make a bad decision and go broke. He's been very generous in spending money that he does not HAVE to spend, but does it anyways. Roy's tractor, Roger's contract (trust me, his revenues does not exceed his contract), etc. It's still money spent and it's money that 95% of this BBS probably can't afford altogether. It's just ridiculous to bash on an owner because the team is underperforming.

Where's this supposive opportunity to add this prime time bat? I'm assuming you meant Tejada.... Unless there's clear evidence showing that the Astros turned down a DECENT deal for Tejada, I dont' see what all this fuss it about. And one more thing, the Astros are rated 4th in the second half in offense last year. What's there to show that the young hitters were not turning it around and could've went on with that? Everyone was high on Lane and Taveras to an extent and Berkman and Ensberg were bonafide hitters for the most part. Biggio seems ageless and Ausmus had a hot bat. Preston Wilson had potential to improve the club drastically and Pettitte was supposed to be solid along with Backe. Once again, the team underperformed up to this point. Stop making this about the owner.