There is some quotes from Boras on Astros.com which basically said that Justice is wrong. I just find it hard to believe that Justice, a columnist, was able to obtain so much inside information when a) hes not even the beat writer and b) The astros are notriously tight lipped about these things. Justice is hanging out with Peter Vescey too much.
No one has claimed that the number Justice mentioned has been offered. The fact of the matter is, that Beltran is more than likely the Astros to lose aside from possibly one other organization that will pay that kind of money. If Boras is holding out for a 200 million dollar contract and the Astros are "set" to offer 13.5 per year, that's what is called "not on the same planet", as the two figures are about 100 million off.
the problem is, from all reports NO ONE...the astros or anyone else...is even set to talk about 10 years, $200 million. that's $6 million more per year than Pujols and Vlad got just last offseason. that's a joke.
Agreed. I think Boras and co. is still trying to ride the high of the playoffs (and believe me... after Beltran hit that one off his shoe-tops in game 4, I would have said give the man whatever he wants).... but now that those memories become more distant, and the MLB market is still relatively stabalized (compared to last year's NBA), there's no way that Boras will ever get close to that. But, its still too early to back down off your first offer... for both sides. They'll get a better feel for this at the winter meetings in two weeks. Bottom line... the ONLY team that could afford that is the Yankees... and if they're not gonna budge, Beltran will have to.
Exactly. No one is going to get that kind of money in baseball in the foreseeable future, which is the reason that Justice is saying that they are not even on the same planet. I've said that the teams that will have a play for Beltran will be the Astros, Angels, Cubs and at a distant fourth, the Yankees and in that order. I may have underestimated the Yankees but I doubt it. They just "will not" afford him with Giambi's contract looming and the desparate need for frontline starters.
I am optimistic about the situation. Looking forward to hearing the news come out of the winter meetings.
Are season tickets for next season already available? This could just be a ruse to get people to buy ticks now before the bad news comes.
Not only was the next best bid 50 million less......it was the Rangers bid. As for the 610/offer thingy...Purpura said "we will not comment on whether an offer was made or not". he didnt confirm nor deny it...he just said they are actively talking and hopeful that Carlos stays....and that was it
Chance, I'm looking forward to this verse in your 2005 version of Good Guy's ------ We stopped Mr. Scott Boras, got Beltran for 13 mil! Until Two-thousand-ten, we'll watch Carlos run up on Tal's Hill. Clemens, Oswalt, Pettitte, Backe, what the hell else do we need? Well, Tim Pupurra got us another hometown boy named Woody. I can't belieeeeeeeeve....yadda yadda. ----
Beltran just signed!!!!!!!!!!! Well Rigo Beltran. He signed with the Brewers: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mymod/hdln/z...ews?slug=ap-brewers-moeller&prov=ap&type=lgns[/url]
Darn YOU CASTOR!!!! OMG..... I was about to flip on the TV, and go to Astros.com and ESPN and about to type my WHOOOOOOP! ........... Man....that was harsh....almost had a heart attack.
Another article written by the great Richard Justice http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2928107 Astros can't afford to play waiting game By RICHARD JUSTICE Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle RICHARD JUSTICE Some media outlets reported this week that the Astros had made an opening offer to free-agent outfielder Carlos Beltran. Silly, silly, silly. The Astros haven't submitted an offer because they haven't been invited to submit one. They'll do that when — and only when — agent Scott Boras tells them the time is right. And if they do something foolish, like cut in line or speak without permission, there'll be no soup — and no center fielder — for them. The first rule at the Scott Boras Corporation: Obey all rules. As for a timetable, the Astros have been informed there's not one. ESPN's Peter Gammons predicts Beltran won't be signed by the start of spring training because his demands are so out of whack with the current market. The real Killer B Based on conversations with club officials, I believe the Astros will offer Beltran a six- or seven-year deal worth around $13.5 million per year. If they go for seven years, the total value would be around $94.5 million. That's going to get them laughed out of the room. Boras isn't saying exactly what he wants, and he's not going to give the Astros a specific number. That's not how he operates. Inside the industry, he's said to be seeking a 10-year, $200 million deal. That number probably is low. Way low. Boras is the guy who negotiated the industry-rattling 10-year, $252 million deal for Alex Rodriguez in December 2000, and he's going to use that contract as the starting point for this one. He's going to tell the Astros that the cooling of the free-agent market has nothing to do with revenues. He's going to remind them the industry's revenues have increased from $3 billion in 2000 to $4.2 billion in 2004. Boom or bust? He's going to tell them salaries should be going up, not down. He's going to tell them that if Jeff Bagwell got a deal worth $17 million a year in 2000, then Beltran should get at least that much. He believes the Astros have been part of this boom and that owner Drayton McLane's revenues could easily sustain a payroll of more than $100 million. I telephoned Astros president Pam Gardner with the good news Wednesday, and she said she'd have to go over the books again because she must have misplaced a decimal point. For the record, the Astros say they lost $4 million in 2004. I'm guessing Boras has no chance of getting a $20-million-a-year deal for Beltran from the Astros or any other team. I also think he's willing to wait a long time to find out. New York newspapers have reported the Yankees have pegged Beltran's value at $13 million a year. The Angels, who are believed to be Beltran's first choice, have been unclear about their level of interest. The Cubs will make a serious offer, but even if they trade Sammy Sosa and his $17 million salary, they probably won't spend $20 million. Still, those who bet against Boras getting what he wants do so at their own risk. He's the best agent ever at playing the open market. And all he needs to find is one owner whose passion exceeds his judgment. That's how A-Rod ended up with the Rangers for a contract many believe was worth $100 million more than that of the second-highest bidder. For the Astros, the risk is in waiting. They've got other needs. General manager Tim Purpura has his eye on Steve Finley, Jose Cruz Jr., Woody Williams, Ben Weber and others. But if the Beltran sweepstakes lasts into January, bargains will disappear. This thing has gone on too long already. What are Beltran and Boras waiting for? They already know the cities, ballparks, managers, restaurants and housing prices. Are they checking cable rates? Are they counting Krispy Kreme franchises? Enough already. Unless, of course, it's all about the money. Unless it's strictly a bidding war. Unless it's finding some team to bid $500 more than another team even after the numbers have gotten insane. I earlier advised the Astros not to play this game. I said they should submit a generous offer — $105 million over seven years sounded right — and ask for a reply in a reasonable amount of time. Besides, if they don't get Beltran, Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy seems more than willing to take the blame. Geez, have you ever seen a guy harder on himself? He started ripping himself for things right after Tuesday's loss and picked it up again after Wednesday's practice. He put so much on his shoulders I thought he was going to blame himself for Ken Jennings' finally losing on Jeopardy!. Van Gundy needs to cut himself some slack. It's not his fault the Rockets have decided not to rebound, play defense or hustle. The worst thing that can happen is that he gets fired. At this point, a divorce from these guys might seem like a blessing. Where were we? Right, Carlos Beltran. The Astros decided to allow Boras to control the timetable because Beltran is so special. In for a dime, in for a dollar. Almost everything else they'd like to accomplish this offseason is on hold while the Boras poker game plays out. Boras intends to singlehandedly maneuver the depressed free-agent market back upward. He has enough significant clients — Beltran, Jason Varitek, Adrian Beltre, etc. — to possibly do just that. Boras is patient, too. If he has to wait until spring training to make his point, he'll wait until spring training. Here's hoping the Astros aren't still waiting, too. richard.justice@chron.com
IS THIS GUY SERIOUS?????? Here's the timetable: Nov. 30th -- RICHARD JUSTICE writes an article in the Houston Chronicle saying that the Astros have offered Beltran $13.5 million per season. Dec. 2 -- RICHARD JUSTICE writes an article saying that those media outlets who reported this story were "silly, silly, silly." Yes, Richard...you are silly. In fact, you're a freaking joke. Your articles carry exactly no weight at all, as they can't stand from day to day. Your opinions and mindsets on baseball change with the weather. How you have a job in this industry baffles me. It is beyond me. Note also that in your article of Nov. 30th, you say that this information on the alleged offer comes "based on conversations with club officials." Did you make those conversations up, Richard? How do you miss on this?? Based on these conversations with club officials, you didn't just report that the Astros have made an offer...you actually reported the dollar figure they were offering!!! Oh, yeah...and bench Kent, too!
you're right. but doesn't change my post at all. where did he get the number from? did he have the conversations with club officials, or not?? where did he get the terms of the deal? and how in the world can he now say it's silly??? because it only made the chronicle's website, and didn't make the actual paper??
I sent him an email on this very thing this morning. Essentially I wrote, "but weren't you the media outlet that reported that"? He responded that he wrote that his "best guess" was that they would offer 13.5 for 6/7 years and other media outlets picked up on it and said that an offer had been made. By "best guess" I assume that was what he derived from his talks with "club officials" (perhaps the head batboy) .
