The Marlins are in a completely different situation this offseason, than they were last year. Last year they were in a slash and burn, dealing the majority of their all stars for highly touted prospects, because they were in more of a position to do so. They do not have the same leverage this year, because their team is competitive with young cheap talent. If they go highballing for Dontrelle, most teams will tell them to stick it, and they will be stuck with paying Willis about 6m a year. Granted...some other team might give a better offer than Willy and Wandy, but it wont be much better. No team will be selling the farm to get Willis, because they know he could be had for a more reasonable deal.
Do you realize how many teams have more talented guys than Willy that could be sitting on their benches? The enamoration of Willy here is amazing... he will help get the deal done, but cannot be the centerpiece.
If you want to sit here and argue the difference between "a little" and "zero" in regards to Jason Lane perceived value around MLB, I'm not your monkey.
The enamoration with Willy is not exclusive to this forum. Willy was and is on the marlins radar. Willy is cheap. Willy has comparable Leadoff numbers to hanley ramirez, and apparently ramirez is the second coming of(insert HOF caliber SS). The marlins are in need of a CF. Dontrelle is very expendable to the Marlins. Why is it so hard to imagine Willy as the centerpiece of this deal?
FMV is Free Market Value. Florida should get equal talent/value in return. They want less salary so that means they will settle for top prospects, 2 or 3 players with Willis's potential. Jason Hirsh AND Troy Patton might be the starting bid. If we do get Willis, I suspect the consensus will be that we gave away far too much prospect talent to get him.
Ramirez has better numbers, but from a leadoff perspective Willy is comparable. OBP willy - .333 hanram- .353 SB willy - 33 of 42 hanram- 51 of 66 hanram strikes out more but has more Pop. Comparable LEADOFF numbers.
why dont you look at their numbers, and disregard HRs and RBIs. what do you want out of your leadoff man?
If you are ONLY looking at OBP then you are right. Ramirez gets on base 2 times more every 100 at bats than Taveras so that's pretty comparable. But when you look at the total picture, things are not even close: Runs - 119 to 82 Doubles - 46 to 19 Triples - 11 to 5 HRs - 17 to 1 RsBi - 59 to 30
so why'd you bring it up? uhmmm....... ramirez last year posted an OPS of .842 as a lead-off hitter; taveras .653. those numbers are not, in any way, shape or form "comparable." also, taveras has 4 hr's and 68 sb's in his *career* (two full ML seasons); last year, AS A ROOKIE, ramirez hit 13 and stole 41. they may need a CF; they may indeed want willy taveras. but, believe me, he does not have comparable #s to hanley ramirez.
gonna go ahead and call bullsh!t on that, Nick. you're out of your mind if you think willis commands that much.
Bingo. He puts himself in scoring position much more often than Willy via the XBH & SB; while the extraneous outs - GIDP & CS - were pretty even (7 & 15 for Hanley; 6 & 9 for Willy). Hanley did have 100+ more plate appearances than Willy, however.
