Then he shouldn't have been so surprised that he would get demoted when he has an ERA over 5.00 more than 1/3 into the season.
Ed Wade may be great as a family friend but he is a reknowned ARSEHOLE in the clubhouse. Read some of the articles, he is a joke to most players..... He should be fired. DD
The law of the land provides that in the case a company does not offer paid breaks then that company has no control over what employee does during that said time. A company who tries to act on an employee at that time is subject to fine and penalty as they are violating the rights of the employee in question. BTW, I never said I wouldn't get fired. At that moment I expect to be fired. The moral is don't treat people like they are less than human and expect to not arouse a response. Professional life is great. In fact give me a call in december so we can compare bonuses.
If Chacon and Justice account is correct, Ed Wade had it coming. I guess he thought he could yell his whole career......that is just terrible managing, if you have to resort to yelling, you have already lost the argument. DD
These guys are working under collectively negotiated contracts. I somehow doubt "break time" for lunch is part of the negotiated terms.
I thought it was implied that I meant as a starter. Anyway, he's a reliever who posted a 4 ERA last season and has no control -- not exactly a big market for that. The interest from Pittsburgh was very minimal, and they're the bargain basement team of all bargain basement teams.
Says who? I've seen one article. Besides Chacon, can you even name a couple of other players that he's a "joke" to, much less "most"?
If yelling deserves being choked and fired, then I can personally guarantee you that 99 percent of managers and general managers in MLB need to call Shawn Chacon to give them a beatdown.
You have to be joking, right?? This is baseball!!! The very image of management style and baseball combined is of a yelling manager. Did you have a problem when Kubiak would dress down Carr on the sidelines for all of us to see on TV?
Agreed, and Philly fan would have and DID tell us when we hired him what an ego maniac/ moron Wade was during his time there. Drayton fails, again.
You are not comparing apples to apples here...... This was a guy in power saying come into my office - totally right way to handle it. Then a player ignoring or disrespecting the GM by refusing - totally in the wrong. Then the GM going off on the player - totally wrong on his part. Two wrongs do not make a right. Ed should have suspended him on the spot for insubordination and walked out...by escalating the situation, what did he expect would happen? As soon as he did that, all bets are off, especially after Chacon told him to stop yelling at him. You have to know your people, and understand there are some players you can yell at (Yao) and some that need to be coddled (Tmac)..... Ed Wade is just a fricken HORRIBLE people manager, and GM...... Both he and Chacon were wrong, and the Astros would be better off if they were both fired. DD
Horrible GM? What moves do you disagree with, or what moves do you think he should've made but didn't? You seem to be willing to decide he's a horrible people manager based on one incident where you've heard one side of the story. Words can't describe how illogical that is.
I think an interesting aspect of this is that Ed Wade is the general manager. Why is he interacting with players in this way? I know that managers dress down their players, but there is a great deal more mutual respect between players and managers then players and GMs. Most GMs are "pencil pushers" if you will, the guy who negotiates deals and such. The managers are usually part of the team with the guys so it's different. It's like in football. It's one thing for your coach to yell at you, but nobody wants Rick Smith out there screaming at the players right? He's a front office guy. Chacon was out of line obviously, but Ed Wade seems to be way out of line as well. Not to justify Chacon, but Wade instigated this problem.
Actually, I'd like to see one Philly fan who called him an ego maniac when the Astros hired him. Can you do that for me?
Fair point. I think this incident is an example of him being out of line and overstepping his role, but I can't say whether this is a common thing for him.
1. Of course all of this assumes it went down exactly as Chacon described 2. Managers scream at players all the freaking time. I don't think what Wade did cost the Astros anything...at all.
That article on Wade has to be given some credence. If the journalist were making that crap up, wouldn't the paper be liable for libel? I mean, those are some pretty hefty accusations. Chacon is a clown. But, it sounds like Wade may be one as well. Bottom line for me: I don't like these Astros. Last year sucked, but at least our Astros weren't a laughingstock DallasCowboys-esque locker room. And this year, they are the Cowboys and they suck. The GM calling meetings, the GM dressing down guys in the locker room while the manager hides in his office, the manager throwing fits at a press conference promising something will "never happen again", more than once (!!), players attacking management and having to be separated, anal fissures, FBI investigations, pitchers turning their backs on the pitching coach on the mound in front of fans, TVs, God, and everbody.... *sigh* Anyone remember when the Astros were a classy organization, with an award-winning farm system, and in the playoffs almost every year? *sigh*
1) Very true. 2) Managers <> General Managers. I don't think Wade cost the Astros anything, but I do think he cost himself something.
Not interested in doing leg work for you. Use your fancy keyboard and go to any Phillies board and search around. It's what I did when Drayton decided to hire Wade. I don't recall reading one good thing about his tenure in Philly.
