I'm by no means excusing Chacon's actions, but I do agree with those who said that Wade seemingly overstepped his bounds. From the picture painted in the article, it seems like Wade felt like he was in a nice insulated position to say whatever the hell he wanted to Chacon, to no consequence. He received his warning, but kept going off on Chacon and pressing his buttons. Some people can only take so much verbal abuse before they snap. I wouldn't say Wade got what he deserved...but he was asking for it. Also, I admittedly am not fully aware of all the duties of a baseball GM, but doesnt it seem like ed wade is a little bit more involved than he should be?
I would have disciplined him for not coming into the meeting.....suspend him, let him sulk a bit get his head on right, and then schedule a meeting in a couple of weeks or so to get him back in line. Then, if he agrees, have him come back apologize to the team for his behavior and go forward.... Not yell at the guy and cuss him out....what the heck good did that do? As a GM you are the guy in charge, right? Just mind boggling how stupid Wade is in this situation. It is like two kids yelling at each other.......Wade escalated, bad move..
Sounds like a good way to encourage further insubordination IMO. These guys are ball players. I am quite sure this is not the first time Ed Wade has dressed someone down and I am even more sure that this is not the first time Chacon has been dressed down. I am also quite sure that Wade has never been assaulted by a player before, but maybe I am wrong on that.
Tell him he will be cut, fined etc. You've gotta keep some level of professionalism, even if the person you are talking to does not. Bottom line, if you gonna start cussing out a grown man, no matter what the situation, don't be suprised if he react by trying to kick you a$$.
Can someone fill me in on Chacon's history of clashes with management before? I didn't know the guy had a history before he got here apparently.
You don't ignore it Codell, you suspend him for it....but you don't act like a little brat and escalate the thing.... That is the point...what Chacon did was inexcusable, so you suspend the guy.....for that...... Then you give him some cooling off time and have a heart to heart....... You have to know the situation and have a plan for all outcomes before dealing with difficult egos etc.....Ed Wade looks like he had no clue and just lost it himself... Unprofessional by Chacon, topped by Unprofessional by Wade.....2 wrongs don't make a right. DD
This team is a mess. Chacon is a nutcase, but not sure why Wade and Cooper needed to "talk to him" when it was obviously not a good time. I agree with those that this is bad personnel management. Wade, YOU look in the mirror. Look at the Astros record. You suck as a GM, and maybe Drayton should get up in your grill and yell at you. And after he's done, fans should get up in Drayton's face, and tell him the beer is to expensive and the farm system sucks.
Damn is it that hard on a player to go to the bullpen? Is not like they are demoting you and paying you less for a position.
Ill just have to disagree with the majority. I am old school. Nothing wrong with a good chewing out, which Chacon probably deserved. more involved than he should be? he is the GM lol Most Stros fans would love to pummel Wade at this point, which I why most aren't taking his side on this.
Has anyone considered that the article is entirely from Chacon's perspective of what happened? You think it might be a tiny bit biased?
You are probably right. I'm really just mad at Wade at this point. As for Chacon, we were expecting nothing and he actually was decent for a while. Not sure why they they think Runelvys is gonna be any better. And the other thing related to this "personnel management" stuff- it has come out that Cooper has had trouble keeping his cool lately. He hasnt been handling the losses and stress well, and some players have complained about some of his moves. So that's another thing that makes me suspicious.
Well he obviously feels he was demoted unfairly. I think the Astros may have been too quick on the trigger also. I mean, if we had someone good to replace him, ok. But Runelvys Hernandez?
Some of it is in this article. Also, here is Justice's blog about the incident, which talks some about it. I've read interviews where he talks about his anger problems and his frequent personality clashes with managers before, but I can't find them without more work than I want to do right now.
Exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like someone who just got sent to the Principal's office, admits wrongdoing, but is a little hazy on the details. For example, according to Chacon, Wade says he needs to look in the mirror...but was what that in response to because in the context of the article and Chacon's order of events it doesn't quite make sense. Sounds like Chacon is acting pretty childish...but even if Wade didn't react quite the way the article suggests, it's still pretty clear that he probably let his emotions get the best of him and could have found a more peaceful resolve to the situation. If Chacon's acting like a kid, treat him like one...get down at his level, tell him why you want him to come to the office and if he continues to refuse to comply he'll be indefinitely suspended, banned from all team activities and will be escorted from the building by security. Simple as that. In any case, Chacon could have avoided this situation in the first place if he didn't have such a horrible attitude about being demoted...you're not Roy Oswalt, if you pitch like s**t you're not gonna get too many second chances.
1. It's different if Chacon is a personality helping the team. At this point, he isn't. Chacon doesn't really have any room to be an insubordinate -- not based on performance or tenure with the team. This isn't the first, or even the 2nd time, that we've heard of problems with Chacon this year not related to the baseball field. He directly ignored his boss and his boss' boss -- all after making a trade request. You would think a meeting with the guy he's asking to trade him would be not a big deal. It's not as if Wade went out there with the intent to embarrass him in public; he ignored management twice to meet in private, so he got dressed down in public. 2. Suspended players don't get a salary.
Chacon is a f-ing putz. I hope he is suspended by the MLB. You don't put your hands on your coach or management without serious repurcussions. He should be in jail for assault. I'm having a hard time understanding how he isn't? Wade was saying he wants to keep this an "internal matter". Umm...how can you do that when it's gone public? Surely, the MLB has to review this incident and take appropriate actions since they are now aware and have one player basically confessing his involvement? Chacon is a f-ing lil'l b****. Get him the hell out of here.
