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Astros aren't rebuilding....they're "adjusting"

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by REEKO_HTOWN, Aug 2, 2010.

  1. juicystream

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    Chipper Jones based on 162/season

    .305 31HR 107RBI 108R
     
  2. right1

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    This was a progression. He hit .324 at Corpus in '08 with an .870 ops and moved to RR where he struggled to end the year. The next year '09 at RR are the numbers you are basically quoting. THIS YEAR '10 at RR he was crushing the ball, just as he continues to crush the ball with the Astros.
     
  3. T-Slack

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    Lets say we do and try to sign Carl Crawford, since we "might" have a top 8 pick we wouldn't lose any picks right? I know the Rays would get a sandwich pick, but that be all right?
     
  4. xcrunner51

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    I expect a regression at some point. The league just catches up the second time around. It's the basis of the sophomore slump. Again, see JR Towles.

    Its very unusual for a player who was relatively unhyped to continue to improve in every level of the minors and again in the majors. Even fewer improve to 'star' level talent. The only example that comes to mind is Ben Zobrist.
     
  5. rockets934life

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    The Trade Deadline has come and gone, and the dust has settled. Players who changed teams have, for the most part, arrived in their new locations and started to contribute.

    The big leaguers dealt have been covered ad nauseum, with playoff races in the balance. But what of all those Minor Leaguers? Who were the top prospects sent from buyers to sellers leading up to July 31, and how have they performed since switching teams?

    Here's an unofficial ranking of 30 Minor Leaguers settling in with their new organizations. Keep in mind that only true prospects -- ones who still have rookie status -- were considered.

    1. Brett Wallace, 1B, Astros: Could the third time be the charm? The thrice-traded, 2008 first-round pick is getting his big league feet wet with Houston, having gone 2-for-9 over his first three games. He should hit for average and some power, and drive in some runs in the Astros lineup.

    2. Wilson Ramos, C, Nationals: The Nats feel that they got an everyday catcher of the future for Matt Capps. Ramos has the catch-and-throw skills to play in the bigs right now. In his first three games with Triple-A Syracuse, he's enjoyed the new surroundings, going 4-for-11 with a homer and three RBIs.

    3. Dan Hudson, RHP, Diamondbacks: The 2009 MLB.com Minor League Starting Pitcher of the Year got off to a very good start in replacing Edwin Jackson in Arizona's rotation. The right-hander went eight innings and allowed just one run on three hits for his first victory.

    4. Anthony Gose, OF, Blue Jays: The toolsy outfielder didn't have to go far. Even though he went from the Phillies to the Astros to the Blue Jays in one day, he simply moved from Clearwater to Dunedin in the Florida State League and went 4-for-13 with a homer and steal in three games.

    5. Jonathan Villar, SS, Astros: Villar is kind of like the infield version of Gose -- toolsy, but with a ways to go. The Astros felt that it was time to move him up one rung, so after having spent all year in the Class A South Atlantic League with the Phillies, Villar is now playing in the Class A Advanced California League, where he had a 4-for-4 game in his second game in the organization.

    6. Wynn Pelzer, RHP, Orioles: Pelzer took a bit of a step backward this year, and the Padres had returned him to a relief role shortly before sending him to the Orioles for Miguel Tejada. Pelzer has appeared in one game -- also as a reliever -- with Double-A Bowie, allowing one run on two hits while striking out three.

    7. Tyler Skaggs, LHP, D-backs: A supplemental first-round pick by the Angels in 2009, Skaggs is reportedly the player to be named in the Dan Haren deal. Because of that, he's kind of in limbo, still officially with the Angels' affiliate in the Midwest League, but he has been kept off the mound since July 23.

    8. David Holmberg, LHP, D-backs: The 2009 second-round pick got to stay in the Pioneer League, going from Great Falls to Missoula in coming from the White Sox in the Edwin Jackson deal. The 19-year-old with a good idea of how to pitch has yet to make his organizational debut. He last pitched on July 29, so he should get his chance to show his stuff in the near future.

    9. Mark Melancon, RHP, Astros: Many hoped that Melancon would have been a mainstay in the Yankees bullpen in 2010, but it didn't quite work out that way. He still has closer-type stuff, and he made his Astros' system debut in Triple-A on Sunday, throwing 1 2/3 scoreless innnings for Round Rock.

    10. Patrick Corbin, LHP, D-backs: The Angels gave up some southpaws to get Haren, and Corbin is a pretty good one. The 2009 second-round pick had earned a promotion to the Class A Advanced California League, and that's where Arizona is keeping him following the trade. Corbin made his system debut on July 30, tossing five shutout innings, allowing two hits and two walks while striking out eight.

    Nos. 11-20

    11. Lucas May, C, Royals: The solid backstop hit two homers in his first three games with Triple-A Omaha.

    12. Andrew Lambo, OF, Pirates: Lambo hasn't developed quite as well as some would have hoped, but he is just 21 and in Double-A.

    13. Giovanni Soto, LHP, Indians: The return for Jhonny Peralta, the Midwest League All-Star and 19-year-old won his debut with the Indians, allowing one run on five innings for Lake County.

    14. Tim Collins, LHP, Royals: The diminutive (5-foot-7) hurler was traded twice within a couple of weeks, but the guy knows how to get people out (2.25 ERA, .173 opponents' batting average, 87 Ks in 52 innings pitched). The Royals moved him up to Triple-A.

    15. Roman Mendez, RHP, Rangers: There's plenty of upside here, though it's far away. Mendez tossed five shutout innings with 8 Ks in his Rangers debut for short-season Spokane.

    16. Pedro Ciriaco, SS, Pirates: Ciriaco is kind of like current Pirates shortstop Ronny Cedeno, but with a little more speed.

    17. Elisaul Pimentel, RHP, Royals: The 22-year-old was having a solid full-season debut at the time of the trade. He stayed in the Midwest League and gave up two runs over four innings in his Kansas City system debut.

    18. Jimmy Paredes, 2B, Astros: A move to the outfield might be in Paredes' future, but he has tools, particularly speed (38 stolen bases in 2010). He's swiped two in his first three games as an Astro.

    19. Chris McGuiness, 1B, Rangers: The 2009 draftee is an on-base machine (.416 OBP) with some pop (.504 SLG). The Rangers pushed him up to the Class A Advanced California League, and he went 2-for-5 in his debut.

    20. Cory Kluber, RHP, Indians: The Texas League strikeout leader, who comes to Cleveland via the Jake Westbrook-Ryan Ludwick deal, will pitch for Akron in the Double-A Eastern League. Look for a debut soon.


    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp..._id=12964288&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
     
  6. Vanilla Rice

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    ^^Thanks for the continued updates rox934life. To be honest, during the trading frenzy I watched for yours and hsf09's updates on Clutchfans moreso than any baseball or national media websites. Strange to find that in a basketball forum, but hey...I went where the best info was.

    Thanks again.
     
  7. JunkyardDwg

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    Well to be fair Johnson spent some time with the big league team last year and the beginning of this year. Towles had one awesome Sept callup and fell off a cliff. So maybe Johnson won't continue this torrid pace, but maybe something is finally clicking and/or he's just gotten comfortable.
     
  8. meh

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    We would give them our 2nd round pick. Basically, if the 1st round pick is in the top half, you give them your 2nd round pick. And if you sign multiple top FAs, then 3rd, 4th, etc. There will still be pick(s) lost. Just not the 1st rounder.

    Anyway, this doesn't really come as a surprise to me given that they've extended Myers. As that's an extension that wouldn't make sense unless they have follow-up moves. I just wish the Astros had a more competent GM when it comes to free agency than Wade. But I guess one can hope we get lucky.
     
  9. rockets934life

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    I think a guy the Stros could go after that won't cost them draft picks or much money is Brandon Webb. I don't see the DBacks holding on to the guy and we could offer him a Myers type deal, 1 yr 5 million with an option for 2012. If Wade could find lightning in a bottle again like he did with Myers then look out...

    Myers
    Happ
    Webb
    Wandy (Assuming we don't move him)
    Norris/Paulino/Lyles

    Uncle D's ultimate dream, rebuild and stay competitive :grin:
     
  10. Al22ex

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    This may be the single most idiotic thing I have ever read. Dobles are nice? and don't drive in as many runs as homers do? Yeah where is the importance of getting on base or the fact that most of the time the only run you don't drive in when you hit a double is yourself. Go back to your Physics project stat boy...
     

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