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Astros are in talks with Bregman on a possible extension. UPDATE: Six years, $100 million.

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Marteen, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. red5rocket

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    Well deserved
     
  2. Nick

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    He's not worth a similar deal at the moment. He needs to get healthy and put at least one MVP caliber season together.

    Bergman could get injured very much like Correa while Correa busts out and makes his $4.8 million dollar deal for 2019 seem like he should be getting the guaranteed money.

    The only difference between Correa and Bregman at the moment is that one of them has actually gotten it going for a full season. The Astros have now shown a willingness to throw out solid guaranteed money to Springer, Altuve, Bregman... and they did offer Keuchel a 5 year extension after 2015 that he turned down.

    They'll spend on the extra years if they can get the value out of it. Correa isn't going anywhere for another 3+ years. If he had signed a similar deal before last season, the Astros would actually be losing on the investment.
     
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  3. Nick

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    Similar statements were literally just made about Bregman earlier today... fact remains that even those teams won't fork over stupid money to Correa unless he truly becomes the MVP-caliber "best player in the game" type that he was very much on track to be at his debut.

    There will really be a lot of pressure on Correa to have a bounce back year... this literally will shape whether or not he's back on the superstardom track or not.
     
  4. Nick

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    They have all these guys for at least 2 more years before they have to make any decision.

    In the end, guaranteeing a 7+ year window for contention, with home-grown stars, is really all you could ask for from any team in any sport.
     
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    It just depends on how it's structured, and nobody's said yet. They may choose to take the extra hit this year (would put our payroll, like you said, at 200M with a 206M limit) and add an extra 16M/yr from 2020-24)
     
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    I'm just curious as to why Bregman signed to such a very team friendly deal right now keeping him here until he is 30, the dreaded age where players cant find a team. Areando just scored 280 million at age 27.

    If this helps to keep Verlander and Cole, just wow. I do see Springer gone and Correa most likely gone now unless he under performs once again.

    Just shocked right now. Not sure if Lunhow is a genius or what's up his sleeve ever. Love that we got him though and LOVE seeing Crane doing as he promised. Paying to keep a long term competitive team.
     
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    Wonder how much we offered Correa?
     
  8. Htown Stros

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    Well time for me to go order me a Bregman jersey.
     
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  9. Nick

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    If he keeps it going, he could easily get another extension prior to the last 2 years of his contract... sorta like how Trout just signed his extension.

    If anything, this just further propelled the chances of him being an Astro for life... as the Astros would be the only team that could possibly give him more money before 30.

    Likewise, I could see them striking a similar deal with Springer now, but more of the 3-4 year variety.

    And in the end, if they can't keep them all... is it really that much of a travesty? They've already had all their homegrown stars pan out in a way that most teams drafting high would kill for (while winning at least one championship).. and with baseball's call-up system being outdated, they all got them for 6 years (not only that but 6 full prime years).
     
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    Trout signed a similar deal , 6 years 140, at a similar point. Of course he had won an MVP, was the runner up twice and was younger than Bregman

    When his career is over, he'll have made over $500 million

    Bregman took the guaranteed contract and will have a chance at a much bigger extension before he turns 30 (like Trout)

    Goood move
     
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    Probably nothing. A couple years ago he said he didn’t want to negotiate a extension unless the price is right cause he wants to test free agency.
     
  12. Nick

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    Any player talking about "testing free agency" that is a good 5+ years away (which is what it would have been to him 2 years ago) is mostly full of it.

    Just last week, people were already putting Bregman in pin-stripes because he loves the spotlight. A lot changes in just one week... or 3 years (which is when Correa actually is a free agent).
     
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    It sounds like he's playing on his chump change salary this year, and the extension kicks in next year right when Verlander's 20M is off the books.
     
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    A bird in the hand.

    100 million guaranteed vs. 500K and playing for your career every year. I'm surprised more players don't go this route, too many risks for team controlled players.
     
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    good for breg and the astros.
     
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    For all the people who say why would he sign and leave money on the table you are completely ignoring risk.
    If he got dickie thoned with a baseball this year he’d have made about $7,000,000 playing baseball in his life, counting signing bonus. That’s nice money, but it’s no more than a professional like a doctor or lawyer or management type will make in their lifetime working.
    Now- he’s guaranteed generational money. At a certain point in time you just have to seriously consider mitigating your risk and take the deal for life changing money on the table instead of chasing maximization of every dollar. It just makes sense to play it this way.
    If he had 100 opportunities to play his career out from this point forward he probably makes more than 100 million by age 30 by going to free agency 60 or 70 or 80 times. But there’s always that “darkest timeline” where he gets hurt or sucks and doesn’t cash in with life altering money.
    First goal should always be to minimize risk with an investment that big.
    This is his way of buying insurance.
     
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    And, maybe he just likes Houston, this team, Hinch, and being an Astro and it makes him happy.
     
  18. Buck Turgidson

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    Arenado signed a 2 year deal for about 30M that bought out his 4th & 5th years of club control. Then he signed his megadeal instead of going to arbitration and then testing the FA market. He can opt out after '21 when he's 30. So basically, Arenado bought out his 3 arbitration years and 2 years of FA (just like Bregman), for 125M, and he's got a better-longer track record than Bregman.
     
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  19. Newlin

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    Thrilled with this move. Bregman is going to be great. Maybe not on the same level as D. House, but still great.
     
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    Breaking it down, his arbitration years would probably be $10M, $18M, and $22M if he stays on his current trajectory. Given the recent deals for Arenado and Machado, if he were to go on the open market we'll use Machado as a data point for an elite 3B, so $60M for his two free agent years until age 30. That means total 5 years is $110M.

    I think with the recent mega deals for Harper, Machado, Trout, and Arenado it goes to show where the Astros think salaries are headed in the future. Arenado came off his first 40hr season and he was paid $5M in arb1 in 2016. Compare that to Mookie who was paid $10M just a few years later in his arb1. Elite players will rightly demand more during arbitration nowadays so it does make sense to just buy them out and lock them up early. 4 years from now it looks like $30M AAV will become the norm for elite players when it used to be reserved for the super elites like Trout.

    Initially I thought it was dumb to not wait out his arb years but in all likelihood we’re probably getting a pretty good deal if my assumptions and Bergman’s numbers hold up
     
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