Not sure any posters belittle others who disagree with the trade The ones that get "belittled" are the ones who say stuff like "Luhnow should be fired" and "Lusenow" and crap like that Discussion over the trade and who likes it and doesn't are what boards like this are built on But irrational comments about how "horrible" and "stupid" Luhnow is, really bring nothing to the table at all. It's like the ignorant posts in game threads in the first inning when we go down two runs that "game over we suck" and stuff like that. Just childish rambling, that is what gets belittled.
And here's the thing a lot of people are missing. We have built a farm system that is so deep that we can "lose" a trade and still be fine. We have given ourself the luxury to overpay for a need. We still have McCullers. We still have Martes. We still have Musgrove. Arguably all of them have higher upside than anyone we lost..
Absolutely We still have 4 guys who are in every top 100 list after this trade, and that doesn't count Feliz, Martes and Fisher who is still around now. Those three would be found on some of the top 100 lists also. Then there is still great depth beyond those. Guys like Colin Moran who is generally thought of as the future 3B, Kemp who many on here clamored for on the big league club in the first half last year, and the Arauz kid we just got from Philly will be in most of our top 20 prospect lists as they come out for next year. Even after these deals, there are very few farm systems that are better than ours.
Our minor league system has also shown that they have elite developmental skills. There will be guys that all of us are talking about in a year that are unknowns right now. It's happened every year.
He was so good these experts are ecstatic that we traded two top 100 prospects for a new closer to replace the guy they raved about all season long. That's consistent. We could easily put VV and Appel in relief and essentially replace Qualls and upgrade our bullpen.
Other than hopes and dreams, what evidence do you have to support the claim that VV and Appel would upgrade our bullpen? Appel has an ERA over 5 in the minors against players who will never make the majors. VV had one over 4 last year, with his biggest issue being his inability to put away hitters. Both may be valuable arms in the future, relying on either during a potential playoff run next year is lunacy.
This is absolutely a reasonable argument to make. However, you can't criticize us for botching the draft then also criticize us for cutting bait with one of those misses. We've known the pick was botched for over a year now. Trading him away should be cause for celebration: he is no longer our problem.
They botched 1, Appel. Aiken's elbow issue was a completely unforseeable problem after they selected him. Even still, because they didn't sign Aiken, the pick was deferred to 2015 and we ended up getting 3 of the top 5 talents in that draft. Time will tell whether or not those picks are any good.
Do you not grasp the concept of upgrading the 8th inning as well? Gregerson was fine, if he was the closer this season it wouldn't bother me. But more than likely he will become an extremely reliable 8th inning guy, and Giles will take the 9th. And why do you think it is such a sure thing they will be great relief pitchers? If is was that easy, everybody would do that. We traded 2 guys that may or may not amount to anything for a guy that has had proven success in the MLB, and will be around for 5 more seasons.
This would make more sense if we were still in rebuild mode. But as things are, in accordance with trying to win now, we need as many "proven" guys as we can get on the 25 man roster. The time for experimenting and giving guys a year or two to prove themselves at the ML level is over. I guarantee Singleton wont be playing in June, if his April/May performance isnt sufficient. While I could s be proved wrong, Appel only value was where he went in the draft. His numbers never screamed pitching ace or even solid rotation guy. We were fortunate to find someone that assigned him value in a trade.
Not to mention, if he weren't the #1 pick, what level would he still be at in the minors? With his stats, I'd think he'd still be in no better than AA.
They aren't replacing Gregerson - he's still on the team and a primary contributor. You have no idea if VV and Appel would be any better than Qualls. You know for sure that Giles is.
A bunch of other teams would have botched the Appel pick as well (at least as of today). It's not like they reached for him. He was the consensus pick for many teams.
Not on Aiken at all, rules don't allow physicals And saying we botched that pick assumes this years replacement pick busts, which is a bit crazy at this point
To be fair, it's worth noting that Carlos Rodon would help this team tremendously next year. Bregman and Cameron not so much. But yeah it is kinda silly to say they botched anything.
Well then again at the time of the draft we were still in rebuild mode, so going after the higher ceiling in Aiken doesn't sound too crazy.
This post is baffling. Are you so pompous (or delusional) to think that you know so much more than Lunhow and co. that they would be completely oblivious or incompetent to such an "easy" solution? Bc that's what you're saying and rest assured it makes you look like an idiot. What's odd is that very few supporters of this trade have come out unapologetically in favor without a hint of criticism... Most have agreed that there was a price to pay but, as is usually the case, a certain level of risk must be taken to reap a potential reward. But the likes of you and Vince and a handful of others have made damn near unprovoked and quite frankly asinine complaints about utter incompetence and a bungling FO from a group that just took the laughing stock of the all of baseball into a team that was 6 outs away from the ALCS who just addressed one of our most glaring needs. No offense but y'all sound like, well.... Idiots.
I found nothing delusional or pompous about it. Just an opinion I happen to disagree with. Again, if we were in the first or second year of our rebuild, this trade wouldn't have made much sense. But even where we are, it could pan out that VV or Appel surpass Giles performance in the years to come. Who knows? But I am a supporter of this trade. And I agree that there is some risk involved. But IMO, it makes sense to trade some of the farm potential for proven ML level talent. As far as the dissenters of the trade are concerned, it would have been better to give up garbage than good talent to be sure. But it seldom happens that such disparity occurs without reason.
