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Astros Acquire Clint Barmes

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rockets934life, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. ryan17wagner

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    I think the Astros knew it cause he worked hard unlike Paulino. Add him to a list of pitchers who don't make it like Hirsch and Nieve.
     
  2. studogg

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    so as a season ticket holder, when he had a 3.82 era through June 9th and had strung together several dominating performances, what were you thinking?

    after that start he got lit up once, came back and had a very nice outing against the Rangers and then got hurt.

    Yes he was turning the corner. Yes this was a stupid move. Yes your posts on clutchfans are as bad as they are on astrosdaily.

    you build a team by having a surplus of arms (have we not learned anything from Hunsiker's work?). once they begin to pan, you can move some to fill in the spaces. You don't move one for a psuedo kaz matsui.
     
  3. T-Slack

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    I wish Wade would get a player with upside instead of gap stop players.
     
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  4. Big Shot Bob

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    Honestly I think this deal is probably a wash. Everything that I hear about Barmes' defense indicates that he's got good instincts and good hands which makes him at least an average (if not above average) defensive shortstop. I'm not worried about his age since he doesn't have as many miles on him as a normal 32 year old shortstop would. As far as his bat goes, I expect him to rack up HRs with the Crawford boxes just like he did in Colorado. The average and obp probably don't matter as much when you are talking about your 8 hole hitter. I think pop is more important for someone that low in the lineup since the pitcher or leadoff guy are less likely to drive them in. Realistically, we didn't have alot of options other than overpaying a guy like uribe, renteria or Orlando cabrera. Josh Bartlett and JJ Hardy would most likely command more and both had down years last year as well. Honestly this reminds me of the keppinger trade he made a couple years ago more than the matsui deal.
     
  5. ryan17wagner

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    Anyone can have a good stretch, but it's hard to have a good season or career. Get over it. He was never going to get it here. I've never heard of AstrosDaily. You're getting me mixed up with someone else. Paulino was never going to pan out. Move on and quit crying.
     
  6. Ottomaton

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    I can't understand this move at all. Even if you want to give up on Paulino, which is at least a valid conversation...

    Of all the things to seek in return...
     
  7. E-Man

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    Oh well. Paulino was trash anyways. Always getting hurt and could never improve his pitching every year.
     
  8. UTAllTheWay

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    Wow, it didn't take long for Wade to go back to his "trade away younger players for old veterans that give us absolutely nothing" ways...
     
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  9. studogg

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    our # 1 starter will be hard pressed to ever match last years results again in his career - Meyers
    our # 2 is a huge question mark - JA Happ
    our # 3 is chronically mediocre - Wandy
    our # 4 is not currently as good as Paulino - Norris
    our # 5 is ????

    and personally, I would like to see lyles have at least half a season in AAA this upcoming year to help delay his clock and provide him some more experience.

    we aren't going anywhere next year and having one more season to evaluate a live arm is worth more than a good day .245 20 hr mediocre defensive shortstop.

    my apologies on the astrosdaily shot. there is a poster there with the same name that just posts crap.
     
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  10. ryan17wagner

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    Myers works hard and is more mature. He's not a typical No. 1, but he'll have to do. As long as he doesn't get injured, he'll be fine.

    Wandy is Wandy. He's had a pretty darn good ERA the past three years.

    JA Happ isn't not a question mark. 19-9 with a 3.27 career ERA. He's going to be steady for years to come.

    Anyone is better than Paulino at No. 4. Paulino was junk. Nelson Figuersoa was a pleasant surprise going 5-3 with a 3.22 ERA. WAY much better than that bust Paulino.

    No. 5 will be open for Norris to win unless some is signed or a minor leaguer steps up.
     
  11. Joshfast

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    Should have traded Paulino for atleast 3 top end of the rotation blue chip prospects and one major league top of the rotation arm, AND their best organizational power hitter/high OBP guy, Nolan Ryan and Bob Gibson. Anything less is a travesty. How will the Astros ever recover from this horrible trade??? :( Who will fill the all important mediocre 5th starter that NO MATTER WHAT will get injured and be useless??
     
  12. The Cat

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    Minor quibble, but a starting pitcher with a 3.54, 3.02 and 3.60 ERA over the past three seasons (averaging 200 IP+ in the last two) is FAR, FAR BETTER than "chronically mediocre". Understand your general point, but had to note that.
     
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  13. Vanilla Rice

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    I'm OK with this move. Looking at last year, Manzo isn't a full time ML shortstop, and they had to acquire Sanchez and Hernandez (and Sanchez played above his head). Blum is gone, and Kepp can't slide to short for any lengthy amount of time, so a middle infielder was a need.

    FP was wildly inconsistent and couldn't be counted on. At least Barmes is an every day player with a little pop. I'm shocked Wade could get anything for FP, so I consider this a win.
     
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    Meyers is a quality pitcher and should still be effective and middle of the pack pitcher. Happ has proven that he is an average-above average pitcher in this league.Wandy is not mediocre..... he has proven that he is an above average pitcher and he has one of the nastiest curveballs in the game. And Norris is definitely superior to Paulino.

    I'd rather have an improved bat and defensive player in the lineup every day than a 5th starter who is injury prone and inconsistent.
     
  15. Major

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    Beltra and Uribe were looking to revive careers. Clint Barmes is not that type of player - he's a total scrub. Guys like that will sign anywhere they can get a job. The Astros were able to sign guys like Keppinger and Blum dirt cheap, and those guys are much better than Clint Barmes.

    Guys like and better than Clint Barmes are out there in droves.
     
  16. justtxyank

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    I'm not surprised to see the Astros trade for a guy like Barmes.

    Bad plate discipline, low OBP, high strikeouts, low BA, low slugging...sigh.

    But I'm sure someone will foolishly point out that last year he hit 20 homeruns. LOL
     
  17. juicystream

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    Where is this lack of work ethic coming from? They were raving about his offseason workouts prior to last season where he lost all that weight.
     
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  18. RocketMania1991

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    Its coming from __________________________________________________.

    Seriously I hate it when people make accusations and assertions without any legitimate support.
     
  19. cardpire

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    this trade feels a little like the best-case upgrade that they were praying for when they attempted to "upgrade" from blum to feliz, although barmes clearly hits for more power than manzella.

    not super-exciting, but i guess it is an immediate improvement to ss, however minimal. manzella is garbage, angel isn't an everyday starter, and i had seen enough of paulino before last season to know that a) he probably stinks, and b) if he doesn't, houston wasn't going to be where he turned his season around.

    i'm hoping for 1 impact addition to the club this offseason, combined with any tweaks like this one, and i think that would make for a great offseason.
     
  20. ryan17wagner

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    When you're fat and overweight and don't do what you need to do it shows on the field. That's why he's 6-21 with a 5.83 ERA. There's no excuse to be that bad with a "golden arm" like he has. Yeah, he lost some weight last offseaon, but he should be A LOT better than what his stats suggest.
     

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