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Astros Acquire Clint Barmes

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rockets934life, Nov 18, 2010.

  1. rikesh316

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    I got to imagine they see him as a starter at most likely shortstop. Tommy Manzella proved nothing last year and Angel Sanchez isn't more than a utilty player. I think they there are still looking for a upgrade at 2nd base for Keppinger. Keppinger is a decent offensive 2nd baseman but he provides little power and run production.
     
  2. ryan17wagner

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    He was 1-9 last year. Enough said. and 6-21 for his career. I don't care about his "ceiling'. He'll never turn the corner. He's too injury prone.
     
  3. RocketMania1991

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    Hmm my feelings on this trade are mutual.

    Paulino was brilliant at times but otherwise injury prone and lacked command.

    Barmes could be lightning in a bottle and should be an upgrade for us.

    Gonna have to wait and see how this pans out.
     
  4. No Worries

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    Nothing would surprise me ... but ... Keppinger actually pulled his weight last year.
     
  5. rikesh316

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    That 1-9 win and loss record is misleading. Paulino as a starter last year was decent. He had a ERA like around 4.40 which isn't bad. His ERA for the season is high because of some terrible bullpen outings toward the end of the year.
     
  6. No Worries

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    Reading between the lines, this is likely Brad Arnsberg's opinion as well.
     
  7. rikesh316

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    He did well last year. Keepinger is always going to provide with a solid OBP and low strikeout numbers but I think if you can upgrade, go for it.
     
  8. ryan17wagner

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    4.40 ERA is bad. He's just a bad pitcher. It was time for him to go. Welcome Clint Barmes.
     
  9. Cannonball

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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7300856.html

     
  10. rikesh316

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    4.40 ERA isn't great but it isn't bad either for a 4th or 5th starter. If you want to see "bad stats" just look up Barmes stats. .235 AVG, .305 OBP, and .351 SLUG in the best hitting ballpark in the majors is bad.
     
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    he was not a bad pitcher any more than Norris is. He was starting to get it and was flat out nasty at times.

    this could schilling us
     
  12. Cannonball

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    I wouldn't say it's bad. Below average but not bad. The league average for starting pitchers last season was 4.16.
     
  13. sealclubber1016

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    He should be the everyday shortstop. The numbers suggest he is actually still a very good defensive shortstop. His zone runs stat say he saved the rockies 9 runs last year. And over his career he is plus 28 runs. The only reason he plays second is because they have Tulowitzki, who is also great defensively.

    Astros Shortstops WAR (Wins above replacement player)
    Clint Barmes + 1.0
    Angel Sanchez -0.9
    Tommy Manzella -1.5

    Barmes and Keppinger gives us a really good defensive middle infield.

    And even if his OPS drops to .650 away from Coors, it's still and upgrade.

    And as for the contract, he is a free agent after next season.
     
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  15. rikesh316

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    I don't care what those stats say but Keppinger isn't a good defensive 2nd baseman. He is slow, limited range, and not very good at turning double plays.
     
  16. sealclubber1016

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    You don't care what the numbers say. Well then adam everett was always a good hitter, I don't care what the numbers say.

    Keppinger isn't a gold glover, average range, but he doesn't make errors.
     
  17. leroy

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    So then Derek Jeter is a good defensive SS? You can't make errors if you can't get to the ball.
     
  18. MadMax

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    I don't know what to think yet. I'm not too worried about losing Paulino, frankly.
     
  19. sealclubber1016

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    He was plus 4 in the runs saved above average, somehow the snail managed to save us runs.

    Jeter was -10 by the way
     
  20. rikesh316

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    No 2nd baseman is going to have a lot of errors. Keppinger doesn't get to a lot of balls, he doesn't make any "hard" plays, and his throwing arm is not good. In all, I think he is average at best fielding 2nd baseman.
     

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