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Astros 2022 Season General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Snake Diggit, Apr 9, 2022.

  1. Wulaw Horn

    Wulaw Horn Member

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    I get what you are saying but I think I’d rather push for the more bat oriented solution at 1B with the idea that Chas is your floor in LF and that’s a higher floor than 1B. It’s also why I want Chas to learn to play 1B. Unless we can get a top 100 type prospect for Chas or he’s needed for a trade for Castillo or Soto or something, in which place I will pack his bags for him and drive him to the airport.
     
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  2. BlindHog

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    I think LF is fine as is, Brantly and Alvarez have been more than adequate there and it is looking like Brantley will be back in plenty of time for post season play. next years OF can be filled out with internal options. First base could be covered for the next two seasons at least by trading for Christian Walker.
     
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  3. Marshall Bryant

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    There are just not many options out there that I would be willing to part with our prospects for. We are NOT desperate.
     
  4. HeyBudLetsParty

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    Who’s a better 1-2 combo? 2019, Cole and Verlander or 2022 Valdez and Verlander.
     
  5. tmacfor35

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    Cole and Verlander.

    Not close due to those guys ability to strike others out.
     
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  6. HeyBudLetsParty

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    It’s definitely close, 2022 Verlander is better than he was in 19. Framber is pacing similar stats to Cole besides strikeouts but will crush him in double plays.
     
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  7. tmacfor35

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    Gerrit Cole had a 1.72 era and .87 whip in the 2019 playoffs.

    It ain't close.

    I do like this version of JV much better though.
     
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  8. HeyBudLetsParty

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    2019 Verlander and Cole had a combined ERA+ of 364 over about 430 innings.
    2022 Valdez and Verlander have 353 ERA+ pacing similar innings. The difference is marginal and I never mentioned playoffs in the question, idk why it would pertain to your argument.
     
  9. tmacfor35

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    You just asked about 2019 Cole and Verlander. Not 2019 regular season Cole and Verlander. Jesus.
     
  10. Wulaw Horn

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    Depends. What kind of ball we going to get in the playoffs for JV? The dead one or the one that made him a 2 HR per 9 innings kind of guy?
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    We’ve got some nice young bat options in AAA and AA. Yainer Diaz, Enmanuel Valdez, Pedro Leon, Justin Dirden.
    Yeah, I felt like Verlander was trailing off a little bit when the playoffs rolled around in 2019. He wasn't this sharp, that's for sure.
     
  12. htownrox1

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    Ugh all the 2019 talk is like opening an old wound. Pain.
     
  13. CinematicFusion

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    So this will be with Yordan for the season?

     
  14. Marshall Bryant

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    Verlander Cole in 2019. Best two pitchers in baseball. Verlander seems even better, but Framber, while elite, is not pushing for the second best pitcher in baseball.
     
  15. Marshall Bryant

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    Rotation Question

    Top Starters - In barring injury
    Verlander 3.4 208
    Valdez 2.5 145
    McCullers [(3.4 2.0 adj) 136 2021]

    In the hunt
    Javier 1.6 124
    Odorizzi 0.2 109
    Urquidy 0.8 106
    Garcia 0.8 98

    Is there a way to see how the pitchers in the hunt have done in the first inning in regard to throwing strikes, not allowing baserunners and preventing scoring? Starters sometimes work their way into and out of trouble early while they settle in, but you don't want it in a reliever.
     
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  16. mikol13

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    I do agree with this. Cole could have won the Cy Young in 2019. He was amazing.

    That said, Framber’s last game pitched that he did NOT have a quality start goes all the way back to April. That’s pretty ridiculous.

    Changing the subject a bit…Not sure what will happen at the deadline, regarding the possibility of losing starters in trades, since we seem to have an abundance. If 2021 showed us anything, you can’t have enough pitching in October. Going to be very interesting to see how the Astros decide to improve this team for the postseason.
     
  17. Marshall Bryant

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    When I think of quality starts, I think about middle of the rotation guys. When I think of aces, I want to know how many wins came when the Astro score less than 3 runs.
     
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    Kind of a weird way to determine an ace. Verlander only has 2 wins when the Astros have scored less than than 3 runs. Garcia has 3.
     
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    Framber will come in Game 7 of the World Series no matter the situation to win the game.
     
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  20. Marshall Bryant

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    What can I say? I have abstract thinking at times. But Garcia's value just jumped with that info.

    btw, Urquidy has the best 1st inning numbers among the In The Hunt group which might favor moving him to the pen. If we assume MLB maintains the 13 pitcher minimum and we only need 4 starters in post season, that leaves 9 relievers.
     

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