I don't want to say I told you so, but I told you so. Unless the astros come down on their price bourn will remain with the team. The reds really looked like the only serious buyers for his services and now they are out.
I doubt they move anyone else. Wandy has an ugly contract, Myers meh, and Bourn, appears Astros asking too much(right or wrong). Things can change but...Guess we'll see. A lot of trades today. BTW, Giants just acquired Orlando Cabrera.
Jon Morosi Source confirms #SFGiants have interest in Michael Bourn, but not clear if talks are active. #Astros
@JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN Braves refuse to put both Delgado and Vizcaino in Bourn deal...but phone lines burning in the Peachtree State #TRADES 6 minutes ago via web Wow that's a huge ask (better than the pence return imo). Honestly i'd be content with one of the braves big 4 pitchers but if wade could swing 2 they'd have a top 5 farm system and be well on our way to rebuilding things
Wade with some balls... “@JimBowdenESPNxm: Braves refuse to put both Delgado and Vizcaino in Bourn deal...but phone lines burning in the Peachtree State #TRADES”
We need to get the giants involved. That will put some pressure on atlanta to make a deal. With the trades that the giants have already made, if they get bourn to, there is no way that atlanta can beat them AND the phillies to.
Just an observation, Stros obviously don't want Minor. It was reported they offered him a package for Pence and now Stros apparently not asking for him in a deal for Bourn. If we deal with ATL, I'd want Delgado and Hoover. Hoover is VERY underrated, he was converted to a reliever because of the glut of SP in the Braves system and has been dominant but was also VERY good as a starter. If we deal with Washington, I'd want Robbie Roy and Steve Lombardozzi. Roy is another super high ceiling guy and Lombardozzi can hit. If we deal with SF then Eric Surkamp and Jarrett Parker. Surkamp has turned into a dominant pitcher without a dominant fastball.
from ATL, vizcaino is the guy i want. i haven't really read a single glowing review on minor, and am thrilled that they don't want him. seems like a low ceiling guy. mentioned this earlier, but i think the perfect trade would be vizcaino and salcedo. we have nothing at 3rd in our farm (assuming you don't count villar), and it would make plenty of sense if he's one of our targets from them. i like this guy's analysis of their farm, although a few months outdated. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12887 i'd certainly be satisfied with any combo of those 2 and delgado.
Warning: Don't read if you aren't interested in hearing a different take on the Jimenez deal. Spoiler I don't like that the Indians gave up both Pomeranz and White but the deal makes more sense for them than it appears to on the surface to the likes of Keith Law, who criticized it. His primary criticism centered around the Indians playing bad baseball for the last 2 months... duh. As if the Indians were unaware of that. He thinks they overrated themselves. He's wrong. Their GM and front office are well aware that they got lucky early in the season but they can see the standings and are taking a calculated and not-so-risky chance to improve the team this season. Here's why: A. The Indians have one of the deeper farm systems in baseball, particularly when it comes to pitching. They'd be even higher in the org rankings if they had more top-tier prospects but they have tons of depth and quality. There are probably only a few teams with greater depth, if that many. B. The Indians are generally a conservative team but the division is very weak this season and management is trying to be more aggressive than in the past when they have any sort of shot to make the playoffs. In previous years, they don't make this kind of move. C. The Royals could be very good about 2 years from now. Yes, the Royals. They have the best farm system in baseball. They've had good prospects before but not like what they have now both in terms of quality and quantity as well as pitching and hitting. And with the Tigers and White Sox always having far more money to spend than the small-market Indians, the Indians want to take advantage of the weak division that could remain weak next season. D. If the Indians are not in the race around this time next year, they will easily be able to re-flip Jimenez, who is under club control through 2013 and is getting paid well below his worth, even in an up and down year and even if he isn't a clear cut ace. This would be true even if Jimenez performs at a mediorce level going forward. While they may not get a package back equal to what they gave up, they will be able to recover some of the losses while improving their rotation for at least this season and the next one while they are still in the mix. If Jimenez pitches well and they choose to flip him, they may get back equal to what they gave up and there is even the remote chance that they can extend him/resign him or whatever. I doubt they do that because of what he'll command in 2014 but there is a small chance. So, the Indians essentially gave up 2 very good pitching prospects, another with potential who they can stand to lose and a solid 26-year-old hitter who lost time due to a labrum issue that has since been corrected. Pomeranz and White are the only losses that make Indians fans nervous but again, the Indians have pitching depth in their system and they get the most coveted pitcher on the market in the short-term who they can re-flip next season for similar talent if they are not in the mix. All the criticism I've come across from the big names in the media take a short-sighted and shallow look at the deal (shocking, huh?). On the surface, it's easy to say the Indians gave up too much but the critics don't consider a number of factors which pretty clearly explain the Indians' thinking. They may have given up 1 too many good players but they can absorb the loss and make up for it down the line while improving their slim chances this season.
the braves are stingy little b****es. a loaded farm, a premium player filling a gaping need on a team that should be in the world series mix for the foreseeable future...2 premium prospects is plenty equitable.
