Well, I certainly hope you're right because right now I'm looking at Chuck Hayes Part Deux with even less of an offensive game than Chuck not to mention the fact that he's 6-7 and they expect him to play center. That plus the questions surrounding his "basketball knowledge" leave me less than underwhelmed about his selection. Does mean that Chuck is a goner however.
He is more like a faster (but smaller) Ben Wallace than a stronger Marian. Marion is a good offensive player. Dorsey has no offense whatsoever. And I don't expect him to develop anything better than Ben Wallace.
Hillboy, I really don't think Chuck is goner with the potential injuries the rocket frontline usually go through. I think Dorsey just adds more depth and he's a much better finisher ie.(dunks the hell out of the ball) around the basket than Chuck. Both Dorsey and Chuck have to be some of the worst free throw shooters in the league though.
If if that were remotely accurate, why would that be a bad thing? Upgraded 2 players that played prominent roles in a 55 win team. I think that's a good thing.
true, but I chose to focus on the more obvious example.. as far as dorsey goes, he is ben wallace cloned(ie a more athletic/physical chuck hayes)
From what I've seen (two games, only a small sample size), Greene compares more to (a young) Robert Horry than Rudy Gay. He has the ability to go to the basket and make a spectacular dunk, but he's too in love with camping out on the three point line. If the coaching staff can help him with his defense, I do think he can turn into a great weakside shotblocker and rebounder. He may even be able to defend other power forwards if he hits the weights (ala Horry in '95). Dorsey isn't too hard to evaluate. What you see is what you get -- defense, rebounding, interior force, terrible perimeter shooting. I do think people underrate his ability to finish around the basket, which is import for a guy in his role as we all know (See Chuck Hayes). I also think people overrate his "hustle" -- I have personally seen him take off plays or not care at times. Hopefully the latter is just a matter of maturity and being around the right group of veterans. Overall: Greene -- A Robert Horry-type player at first with the potential to develop into Rashard Lewis. I think it's unlikely he does, though. Dorsey -- Charles Oakley, Bo Outlaw-type of enforcer. I don't think he'll be as good as Ben Wallace simply because Wallace in his prime was Rodman-like in his ability to read misses and position himself correctly. Plus, he's not as tall as Wallace and doesn't have the same kind of passion Wallace used to have. As we see now, Wallace without passion is far from an All-Star caliber player. I think today's Ben Wallace is what Dorsey will be, which isn't bad for a second rounder.
aside from the fact that they are both defensive players listed around 6'7", he is absolutely nothing like chuck. the way they play defense is different, the way they play offense is different, their skillsets are different . . . dorsey is an off the ball, help defender/shot blocker. hayes is an on the ball post defender. watch the dorsey highlights, and tell me at what point you look at that guy and think "chuck hayes". seriously?
By mid-year Donte Greene will have pushed Shane Battier where he should be -- Sixth Man. By next summer we will all realize Shane is expendable and a decent trade asset. This projection will be accelerated if the other Green (Gerald) makes the team and proves his worth.
I never thought chuck hayes with dorsey. I'm just saying he brings similar attributes to the table but with way more upside/different style(see the more physical/athletic comment). Dorsey reminds me of ben wallace, down to the dreads and the poor FT shooting.
yeah sorry, i wasnt responding to you in particular. i just dont like this perception that he's like chuck hayes. he's a little smaller than big ben, but i agree 100%. he should be slightly better offensively though.
I always do! But in all honestly Joey Dorsey seems like a good pick for where they were at. He's a very very good defensive player. He's quick strong and athletic. If we were drafting for JVG to coach, I wouldn't call him a good fit, even thought he's good defensively it seems like it takes a lot to make something sink in for him (I say that merely from external interviews and the few Memphis games I have watched.) But once it clicks he does well. It's always been possible that Chuck would be a trade asset, but I don't think Morey will give him away for nothing. Something he pointed out after the trade is that there is always injury questions surrounding Yao and Landry, so its good to have more bodies than less. Just think of it this way... you now have Chuck, Landry, and Dorsey to throw at the Tim Duncan's, Carlos Boozer's and David West's of the world. That cannot be a bad thing.
haha battier expendable... that's funny. If you want someone to ruin a star players night, you need a defensive player like him. Come Kobe-Night next season you'll see.
luther head was just a regular season player and he was too short to be a backup for tmac all i have to say is donte greene is a perfect backup for tracy
I agree...whether got Greene, CDR, or Arthur....I would been satisfied, because it gives us a little more athleticism off the bench and this is also good future move. I think the Rockets can keep alot of these players, Houston can still be competitive team after T_Mac and Yao years are nearing the end. Greene is good fit for us, because expectations aren't going to be that high for 28th pick....so he can't be bust. Also, if he turns to be a good scorer...that means we can do less in future. Plus, it means other moves aren't as pressing unless it can fetch us good pg....which I would think would be next thing in the cards for us. Since, there are enough pieces for us to put halfway decent trade together. I believe the trade, gives us lot of size on front line....in which it won't overwhelm Yao when we play teams like The Lakers and Suns. At the same time, we should enough athleticism to play consistently against teams, like the Warriors.
