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Asomugha contract voided

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by mickey_angelo, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. pacman0590

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    hope theres some way it works out..

    lets be real, the texans are going to pursue him and make a deal.. The emphasis of changing the defensive side of the ball is pretty clear from mcnair.

    i think nnamdi will consider us, our chances are probably around 25-30%

    i think he will turn it down simply because money probably isn't an issue for nnamdi. he had a ridiculous contract in oakland.. whats attractive about going to another losing team.. yeah maybe he could think, "well i'm all they need.. "
    but why wouldn't he want to go somewhere thats a perennial playoff team, he seems like a pretty classy guy, and im sure he wants nothing more then to win games.. unfortunately the texans haven't been too good at that.

    mcnair and smithiak are really going to have to put emphasis on the wade phillips hiring, our top ten rush defense (because no one cared to run the ball on us), and our "elite" offense.


    praying for a free agency miracle here!
     
  2. Cannonball

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    More of an assumption I guess. The cap has been in place since 1994 and this was the first year since then that they didn't have one. The owners don't like the revenue split they have with the players (who get 60% now). They say that it's hard for them to be profitable the way it's structured now.

    The salary cap is determined by multiplying projected league wide revenue by the CBA percentage (revenue split), subtracting the projected cost of benefits, and dividing by 32. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if there were no cap, would there be a point in negotiating the revenue split?

    Furthermore, I don't know how you could claim that you're breaking even or losing money while at the same time expressing a desire to eliminate the cap unless it was just something you disagreed with philosophically. But with how much the NFL touts parity as a selling point, I don't see them reverting to the MLB model with no cap.

    As far as McNair, we just went though an uncapped year and some of the numbers I've seen (not sure if accurate) indicate that we cut payroll by $10-15 million from where it was in 2009. Most of that probably came from not franchising Dunta. And Bob made comment that teams just didn't have the money to spend.

    So, I can't really imagine Bob, or any owner, advocating not have a cap so that he can spend more on payroll when they're claiming they have no money and are wanting to get a bigger piece of the revenue pie.

    And even if some owners are for it, I don't think there's any way the teams that are already stressed to their absolute max would allow it. The smaller teams would get left behind, just like in baseball. We don't need the Chiefs turning into the Royals.
     
  3. ryano2009

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    Texans will never go after him, because we have one of the dumbest and cheapest owner in the NFL. :(
     
  4. Cohete Rojo

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    Kubiak "We're gonna let those kids battlefight."

    Bob "He just doesn't fit the 3-4 personnel."
     
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  5. TheDreams

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    "I have so much more confidence," McNair said. "Generally, when you make any kind of change, you sort of hold your breath. You say, 'Boy, I hope this works out.' I'm not saying that here. It will work out. He's done it. He's been there. He's come in, he's looked at our film, we've talked about it, and he just cut to the quick so fast. He saw exactly what our problems were, and he had ideas as to how they could be corrected that weren't necessarily requiring a lot of additional personnel. And I agree with him."

    I will be surprised if the Texans go after a major FA in the off season.
     
  6. The Cat

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    Bob: "To bring in a new No. 1 corner would be traumatic to the defense and set it back two years."
     
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  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I'm 100% sure he won't be a Texan. Bob is cheap and stupid.
     
  8. SWTsig

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    This. Absolutely no reason to believe the texans have or will ever change their philosophy/approach on building this team.

    This organization is a joke and rewards the status quo... To think they've all of a sudden seen the light is hilarious.
     
  9. rhino17

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    exactly this
     
  10. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    You know Phillips is going to be jumping up and down trying to force the Texans to land him. Or at least you'd assume anyone in his situation would. So maybe we do actually have a shot. He's one of very few non-QB players that can truly be called a franchise-changing player.
     
  11. Fulgore

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    True. Bob will go after a Glover Quinn level player and pay him Asomugha type money. That sums up 9 years of Texans offseasons.
     
  12. meh

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    Seriously, people. Don't bash McNair. He spends like everyone else. He'll break the bank for players. But see, the catch is, you have to look at it from the "opportunity cost" perspective. Kubiak likes to spread his FA money around.

    For example, say we give Asomugha the big dollars. But what do we give up?

    We give up the right to pay some players like Ahmand Green, Andre Davis(2 return TDs remember?), Todd Wade, Antonio Smith, Jacque Reeves... These are some of the best players the Texans have ever brought in through FA. Would Kubiak trade 3 of these for Asomugha? Of course not. Kubiak understand that football is a team game. And you need players to battle out there. You can't just have one superstar on defense.
     
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  13. JayGoogle

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    Yeah I'm guessing the cap will be back though, I coulda swore I had heard that there were some owners that would prefer not to have it so I didn't know if it was in doubt or what. Must have been talking about something else though.

    I don't see not having a cap as too much a bad thing. I think MLB has more parity than people give it credit for. It has more Parity than the NBA at least. But that's another topic.

    Then we'll just have to see the cap to determine if we can even go after Aso. Not splurging last off season might actually be a huge advantage for the Texans.

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    To those saying other teams are ahead of us. Winning wise yes, but like I said these teams are already paying huge contracts and are winning right now (like the Ravens) I doubt they would match the money the Texans (should) put up for Aso. A lot of NFL owners are stingy, not just McNair. They just draft better and have better coaching than us honestly. The Pats hardly ever sign big name players and even let them go. The Jets I can think of are the only team to just go on a spending spree and a lot of that has to do with the tag and big name players just don't free up as often as they do like in say baseball. A lot of big moves recently go down on draft day.

    Don't think the Pats are going to outbid the Texans, they lowball their own players all the time.

    If the coaches lobby for a player like this...and the fans...maybe just maybe we can get McNair to pull the trigger. Instead of just saying "It won't happen any way..." we had belief we could bring Bosh here.

    If the cap is willing they will make an attempt. They actually always look at the FAs very closely, it would be hard to imagine for them to show no interest at all. Also Kubiak said they would get all the pieces necessary to get the job done...well there is one of those pieces. a shut down corner.
     
  14. Dubious

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    I'd do this:

    Per a source with knowledge of the situation, here’s the basic data on the Darrelle Revis deal: no signing bonus; 2010 base salary of $7.5 million; $18 million option bonus due on the first day year of the first league year after the 2010 league year ends (the language reflects the potential for a lockout); 2011 base salary of $7 million; 2012 base salary of $7.5 million; and 2013 base salary of $6 million.

    That part is simple. Deciphering the guaranteed money makes it more complex.

    Due to the 30-percent rule and the reallocation rule, the two sides had to apply some creativity. Before the option is exercised, the deal carries $13.772 million in 2013 base salary guaranteed for skill and $13.772 million in 2012 and 2011 base salary guaranteed for injury. The pre-option bonus base salaries ($10.06 million in 2011, $11.894 million in 2012, and $13.772 million in 2013) reduce to the lower numbers after the option is paid.

    Following the exercise of the option, Revis has $6 million guaranteed for skill and $7.5 million guaranteed for injury.

    And so, as of right now, Revis has $13.772 million in guaranteed money for skill and $13.772 million guaranteed for injury. As a practical matter, he’ll get one or the other, if he’s cut or if he suffers a career-ending injury.

    After 2010, after he has earned $7.5 million in non-guaranteed base salary, he’ll have $21.272 million earned or guaranteed.

    After the option bonus is exercised, he’ll have $25.5 million in his pocket plus $6 million guaranteed for skill and $7.5 million guaranteed for injury.

    After the 2011 season, he’ll have $32.5 million in his pocket, with $6 million still guaranteed for skill and $7.5 million still guaranteed for injury.

    And that’s the key. At the end of the 2011 season, Revis will have $32.5 million. That translates to $16.25 million per year — higher than the $16.142 million that Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha will earn this year.

    So how do the Jets protect themselves against Revis deciding after 2011 that he doesn’t like the fact that he’ll get only $13.5 million over the last two years of the deal? The answer is sufficiently interesting to justify a different post.


    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-1625-million-per-year-over-first-two-years/

    Whatever TF that means. Bob don't know either.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    I'll say it again: Fans WAAAAAAAAAY over-inflated Schobel's worth. They may eventually prove too cheap to sign Ashomugha. But we have no evidence of the team eschewing a mutually-interested big-name free agent because they didn't want to meet his price. They handed Matt Schaub a $48M contract; overpaid for Antonio Smith and ripped up AJ's deal and made him the highest-paid WR in football when he had, like what? Seven years left on it.

    But because they refused to break the bank for a *retired* pass rushing specialist who wanted to be paid like a 3-down end while he played himself into shape, the team is cheap?

    Let's see what, if anything, happens before we start drawing false conclusions. As stated, the Texans can be prepared to pay him $200M, but if he doesn't want to play here, it doesn't matter, and its certainly not the Texans' fault.
     
  16. JayGoogle

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    This is more true than those saying he hardly ever spends...the money is just going to the wrong players.

    Wade is getting paid more than any other DC for example. Hopefully it is Wade that talks some sense into these guys. Honestly just let Wade coach the defense and Kubiak the offense. Kinda like how KC does it, I have no faith in anything related to defense when it comes to Kubiak.

    If it were up to Kubes our upcoming draft would be

    #1- TE
    #2- TE
    #3,#4, 2012's #2- For Jason Witten
    #5- OLB
    #6- WR
    #7- TE...but we drafted him to play NT.
     
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    I would agree that it takes an entire Division of combatants to battle. But sometimes one great leader can completely change the momentum of said battles. For example, the Steelers battle differently, not in a good way, when Troy does not play due to injury. The same can be said about The Bears D without Urlacher. Asomugha is in that category. He is a lethal weapon against the evils of Manning and every other QB in the league.
     
  18. Nook

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    The writing is on the wall....

    No Asomgha because he "doesn't fit"

    We will OVER PAY for a mediocre corner from a "system" team (Steelers)

    Wade, Kubiak and McNair will claim the corner they signed is "better for us"

    They will draft a LB and TE in the first 3 rounds.

    We go 8-8, defense is in the middle of the pack and the offense goes down a little bit.

    McNair makes HEAPS AND HEAPS of money and people still keep going to the games, and some fans claim McNair is "loyal" and "classy" ... when really his is just VERY cheap and greedy.
     
  19. JeffB

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    This is how I've seen the Texans' problems. Their player evaluation, particularly on defense has been way off. Part of drafting and signing free agents is evaluating talent for the schemes the coaches run. Phillips is the first DC in the Kubiak era who can articulate his defensive philosophy and the talent required to make it happen. Here's to hoping Phillips can get the money the Texans spend to get spent wisely.
     
  20. Mattj

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    The most likely scenario is Nnamdi chooses to play somewhere else. Why would he come to Houston unless they were the highest bidder? He has no ties to the area, and one would think after years of playing for Oakland, he might want to go to somewhere he has a chance to win a ring. You could make a case that he would have a better chance to do that staying in Oakland than going to Houston. Bailey is the Bronco. That's the tree they likely attempt to climb 1st.
     

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