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As we start to "re-open"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ThatBoyNick, Apr 24, 2020.

  1. Nook

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    It is just a flu, suck it up and go to work. Your employer deserves a days work for a days labor. Don't work from home either, don't trust you will get the work done....... will just sit at home and watch Matlock reruns while calling your employer a sucker.
     
  2. DVauthrin

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    First, thank you for the detailed post, and I stand corrected. My reaction was based off the impression I got that he was defending these individuals right to have large gatherings during a once-in-a-lifetime public health crisis.

    Also, I agree that you can’t lock people down forever, but if people want things opened up and more “freedom,” everyone needs to wear a mask and socially distance in public for now.
     
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    To be fair, the last graph in the chart highlighted attitudes concerning whether people who are not actively displaying COVID-19 symptoms and are otherwise healthy should stay home or not.
     
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    I have nothing to do with what Republicans choose to do. That's their choice, not mine.
     
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    ah well, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds

    "Cuomo Embraces Travel Restriction He Called ‘Anti-American’ When Trump Suggested It":
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/2...called-anti-american-when-trump-suggested-it/

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    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Wednesday that New York, as well as New Jersey and Connecticut, will begin enforcing quarantine orders on travelers from nine other states. Travelers from Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah, Texas and Washington will have to self-isolate for two weeks after entering the tri-state area.

    In late March, Gov. Cuomo criticized President Trump for suggesting a state-based quarantine order that would restrict travel for residents of the tri-state area. When the New York City area was the “epicenter” of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump suggested a two-week quarantine order on residents of New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey.

    “Some people would like to see New York quarantined because it’s a hot spot,” the president suggested in March. “There is a possibility that sometime today we’ll do a quarantine, short term, two weeks, on New York, probably New Jersey, certain parts of Connecticut,” he added, noting the high numbers of New York residents fleeing to Florida.

    Cuomo shot back at Trump’s suggestion, calling it a “declaration of war on states” and saying “we would be Wuhan, China” if such a quarantine order was enforced.

    “If you start walling off areas all across the country you would just be totally bizarre, counterproductive, anti-American, anti-social,” Cuomo continued in an interview with CNN. He also criticized a decision by the state of Rhode Island at the time to stop all cars with New York license plates crossing the state border. “If they don’t roll back that policy, I’m going to sue Rhode Island, because that clearly is unconstitutional,” he said.

    But under Cuomo’s new order, police in New York are now authorized to pull over vehicles with license plates from hotspot states and grill them on why they aren’t isolating.​

    lol. Pretty sure Cuomo was the guy who threatened to sue Rhode Island when that state was stopping New Yorkers arriving at their border.
     
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    Note the date.

    Wednesday, June 17, 2020 by Ashley Lopez
    HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES

    Gov. Abbott says Texas has enough hospital beds to handle increase in Covid-19 cases

    There’s no reason to panic over a recent uptick in hospitalizations due to Covid-19, Gov. Greg Abbott said Tuesday.

    Although Texas has had a record number of people being hospitalized for Covid-19 in the past several days, Abbott said during a news conference that the state still has “thousands” of hospital beds available.

    “The increased occupancy of hospital beds, it does raise concerns,” he said. “(But) there is no reason today to be alarmed.”

    Abbott said the state remains in the “lowest threat level in our hospital capacity,” despite the fact that Tuesday set another record for hospitalizations at more than 2,600.

    “We have plenty of room to expand beds,” he said.

    Abbott said the state has plans to open up hospital beds in alternative settings, if needed. In the meantime, he said, there are open beds across the state. In the Austin area, for example, officials say almost 30 percent of beds are currently available.

    As for the recent uptick in cases, Abbott said inmate populations and isolated incidents of data errors account for large parts of the surge. He also said Texas remains one of the biggest states with relatively low case numbers and has the second lowest death rate in the country.

    John Hellerstedt, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, said the recent increase in Covid-19 patients was largely expected.

    “But we are seeing it occurring at a manageable level,” he said. “I really want to stress, though, that the continued success is up to the people of the state of Texas.”

    Abbott and health officials said Texans should continue to stay home if they can, wear masks, wash their hands and physically distance from other people. Abbott attributed the uptick in cases in part to fewer people taking such precautions.

    When asked, Abbott did not say whether he would allow local officials to fine people who do not wear masks in public spaces.

    During an interview on NPR on Tuesday, Austin Mayor Steve Adler said local officials have been “preempted by the state” when it comes to enforcing rules that would slow the spread of the disease.

    “At this point I can just make recommendations to the community and recognize that the community actually chooses what happens regardless of what the governor allows or doesn’t allow,” he said.

    Mayors in nine of the state’s most populous cities sent Abbott a letter Tuesday asking for the authority to enforce rules concerning wearing masks.

    “A one-size-fits-all approach is not the best option,” wrote the mayors of Austin, Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth, El Paso, Arlington, Plano and Grand Prairie. “We should trust local officials to make informed choices about health policy. And if mayors are given the opportunity to require face coverings, we believe our cities will be ready to help reduce the spread of this disease.”

    On Monday, Adler extended Austin’s stay-at-home order, which requires that anyone over 10 cover their face when leaving home. The rule is unenforceable, however, because a state order encouraging people to wear masks also states “no jurisdiction can impose a civil or criminal penalty for failure to wear a face covering.”

    https://www.austinmonitor.com/stori...al-beds-to-handle-increase-in-covid-19-cases/
     
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    Local control except where you prefer it dictated from above...

    I reckon the Astrodome is available?

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    Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center released a clarification statement today saying they can go far higher with their capacity. But this news doesn't read as well as the "panic p*rn".

    https://www.chron.com/coronavirus/article/Houston-coronavirus-updates-What-you-need-to-15365568.php

    Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center said during a Thursday press conference that a letter that was sent out to the community Wednesday regarding the hospital system's "increasingly stretched" ICU capacity level was "misinterpreted," and stressed the pandemic is not eclipsing hospital capabilities to care for COVID-19-positive and other patients.

    Following reports that TMC had reached 97 percent capacity, Dr. Marc Boom, Houston Methodist President and CEO, said ICU capacity percentages in the 80s or 90s is "completely normal."

    "We have the ability to go far higher than that in terms of the ICU beds we can utilize for COVID-19 patients," Boom said. "...We have PPE (personal protection equipment) we have the capability, (and) we have learned enormous amounts about caring for people with COVID-19."

    Dr. Doug Lawson, St. Luke’s Health CEO, said hospitals are actively planning for anticipated increases over the coming months, which includes bringing in contract nurses and clinicians from other parts of the country to help with surges and doubling critical care capacity.

    "The reality is all of us have the ability to significantly expand capacity on a day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month basis," Lawson said.
     
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    Abbott said inmate populations and isolated incidents of data errors account for large parts of the surge.
     
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    The daily dose...

    The news clips include news stories, editorials and opinion columns about health and human services from major state and national media outlets. They do not necessarily represent the views or policies of the agency and may contain inaccuracies.

    Dallas County reports jump in coronavirus hospitalizations, 391 new cases
    Dallas Morning News

    Coronavirus hospitalizations in Dallas County are continuing to rise, officials said Wednesday as they reported 391 new cases of infection with the virus. Four more county residents have died from COVID-19. Dallas County has now seen 18,135 cases, or about 6.9 for every 1,000 residents, and 328 deaths. The county does not report a number of recoveries.

    ‘We are in a crisis’ — COVID-19 surges in San Antonio and across Texas
    San Antonio Express-News

    Four more people died of COVID-19 in the San Antonio area and nearly 350 new cases were reported Wednesday as officials warned that the situation in South Texas and across the state was becoming dire. The four new deaths pushed Bexar County’s total to 104.

    Texas’ coronavirus positivity rate exceeds “warning flag” level Abbott set as businesses reopened
    Texas Tribune

    Seven weeks after Gov. Abbott began allowing businesses to reopen, Texas exceeded another one of the his key metrics Wednesday when the seven-day average positivity rate passed 10%, a level that Abbott previously called a “warning flag.” The positivity rate is the ratio of positive cases to the number of tests conducted. In other words, for the past week, an average of about 1 out of 10 people tested for the coronavirus were positive.

    Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen, TMC projects
    Houston Chronicle

    The Texas Medical Center’s intensive care capacity could be exceeded as soon as Thursday because of the surge in COVID-19 patients, the hospital system projects. The TMC system reported its intensive care units were at 98 percent capacity on Wednesday. Twenty-seven percent of that total were COVID patients, nearly double the 15 percent benchmark set by health experts.

    Gov. Abbott warns re-openings will have to ‘ratchet back’ if state can’t get on top of new spike in COVID-19
    Houston Chronicle

    On Wednesday, Texas reported record highs in total positive test and current lab-confirmed COVID-19 patients in hospitals. The state has 4,389 hospitalized COVID-19 patients around Texas - that is more than double what it had in hospitals on June 12. Since Memorial Day, hospitalizations in Texas have increased 190 percent. Abbott said if it's not contained in the next couple of weeks it will be completely out of control and Texas will have to ratchet back.

    New York imposes travel restrictions on visitors from Texas, the latest coronavirus hot spot
    Texas Tribune

    The move comes as coronavirus cases and hospitalizations hit record highs in Texas, surpassing 5,000 new cases in a single day Tuesday. The restriction on Texas travelers marks a notable shift in which states are being flagged nationwide for the most alarming increases of coronavirus cases. Earlier in the pandemic, Texas touted comparatively low hospitalization rates and was pointing the finger at other states where the virus was raging.

    U.S. hits highest single day of new coronavirus cases with more than 45,500, breaking April record
    CNBC

    The U.S. saw a record number of new coronavirus cases in a single day, with 45,557 diagnoses reported Wednesday. Wednesday’s cases top the previous highest daily count from April 26 — during the first peak of the pandemic in the U.S. — by more than 9,000 cases, according to NBC News’ tracking data. Health experts said Monday that the resurgence in cases in Southern and Western states can be traced to Memorial Day.

    Trend: Staff shortages increasing in Texas nursing homes
    KXAN-TV - Austin

    Federal data collected by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) shows a mounting number of nursing homes have reported staff shortages in every category the agency is tracking. The shortages reveal another facet of the complex challenges senior facilities face in keeping their residents, who are the most vulnerable to the virus, safe.

    Abbott orders new COVID-19 rules for Texas child care centers after prior restrictions dropped earlier in June
    San Antonio Express-News

    As cases of the novel coronavirus continued to be confirmed in Texas’ licensed child care centers, Gov. Greg Abbott has ordered new rules — less than two weeks after the state dropped earlier emergency restrictions for providers. Child care centers, such as day cares, before- and after-school programs and registered homes, had not been required to enforce measures such as screening for illness since June 12.

    Abbott suspends elective surgeries in Travis, Bexar, Dallas and Harris counties
    Austin American-Statesman

    Gov. Greg Abbott issued an executive order Thursday that will suspend all elective surgeries in Travis, Bexar, Harris and Dallas counties. The order goes into effect at 11:59 p.m. on Friday. Under the order, every hospital in those counties must suspend all surgeries and procedures that are not medically necessary.

    Lawmakers from both parties urge Trump administration to keep funding seven coronavirus testing sites
    Texas Tribune

    At issue are federal plans to stop funding sites in Houston, El Paso and Dallas on June 30. The sites are a small piece of a much longer list of sites across the state run by private entities, local governments and the state. But the lawmakers are calling for the federal government to keep funding them as the number of Texans testing positive for the virus soars in Texas, particularly in the Houston region.

    Contact tracing may no longer work, Austin health leaders say
    KVUE-TV Austin

    Getting back to business makes contact tracing more difficult. Here's how it's supposed to work: When someone tests positive for COVID-19, you isolate them and then track down everyone they've been in contact with. You then get those people tested and into quarantine. Tracking where people have been and who they may have come in contact with is more complicated with people not isolated at home.
     
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    You're not current with your information. The TMC hospital CEOs put out a statement today that they have plenty of ways to expand capacity. See my post above - it directly refutes one of your articles linked. Learn to cut through the panic p*rn.
     
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    Will the state swoop in and tell SHSU they can't have mandatory face masks? Will some retrumplican protest and demand they have a right to get COVID-19 and not wear a mask?

     
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    I'm really skeptical that an increase in hospitalizations doesn't foretell a coming increase in deaths. I can grasp that increased positive tests might not lead to hospitalizations/deaths if the positive tests are coming from a different demographic than in the past (i.e, younger folks, etc). But if hospitalizations are up, not sure how some sort of spike in deaths isn't coming (obviously if treatments are more effective than in past, death rate might be better)

    Speaking of better treatments, not sure why NY's poor performance is used as a deflection. I would expect every other state to do much better as hopefully they learned from their failures and we've learned things over the past 45 days (not to mention, having a few more treatment options it sounds like now between Gilead's meds and the new steroid).
     
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