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  1. RayRay10

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    Effing Nancy :mad:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...alon-despite-coronavirus-closures/5686944002/

    Nancy Pelosi criticized for visiting San Francisco hair salon despite coronavirus restrictions

     
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  2. deb4rockets

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    For all you Trump defenders think about how different things might have been with a leader who had taken this pandemic more seriously and not rushed to reopen.

    I was looking at today's Covid deaths and counted the lowest numbers today of 41 countries/territories. The total of those 41 countries was 84 deaths. Some of the larger countries in the group were Australia, Canada, UK, and Germany, with several others such as Switzerland, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Finland, Belgium, Greece, Denmark and more.

    41 countries / 84 deaths

    Today Texas had 158 deaths. Let that sink in.
    We did not do enough, as Trump screams out reopen schools and play football!! If we only had a leader half as intelligent as the rest we wouldn't even still be having this conversation.
     
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    Meanwhile...

     
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  4. No Worries

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    This is what a dramatic reduction of CV-19 looks like, amirite, @bigtexxx aka #KillGrandmaNow ?

     
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  5. El_Conquistador

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    I guess I now understand people who play the Texas Lottery. Playing the lotto is literally the same mathematical thinking that causes people to hide from a virus that has almost a zero chance of killing a healthy person. We need to do a better job of teaching statistics in school.

    And now it looks like the death total in the USA has been overstated by 94%, causing the deaths FROM C19, not WITH C19, to look more like 10,000 people... or basically a mild flu season. Additionally, we now know that the testing in the US uses a much lower threshold for a positive than does testing in other countries, thereby invalidating the comparison. So much ignorance out there - if only people would look at the data and analyze it without fear.

    GOOD DAY
     
  6. deb4rockets

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    We must do a better job of choosing a President. An uneducated con man who probably wouldn't pass a college entrance exam or 3rd grade spelling test is a sad choice for a country who used to be respected by other nations. Now they look at our leader in disgust and mock him.
     
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  7. IBTL

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    so we are back at "its a hoax" smh
    i wish you guys would make up your mind. flip flopping more than john kerry
     
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  8. El_Conquistador

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    No one is calling it a hoax, but without question, the response to the virus is disproportional to today's threat. There are many risks that pose a greater threat to our health that we voluntarily ignore daily. And the overreaction to asymptomatic cases is truly absurd and not grounded in any science whatsoever.

    COVID is a disease of the elderly and poses a risk almost exclusively to older people who have hypertension and diabetes. If you are in that category, then by all means, quarantine yourself. If you are not, then live your life!
     
  9. IBTL

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    OR you have a capable president and an actual strategy.

    what is the strategy or plan here? im glad you finally stopped bringing up sunlight. those clorox fumes MIGHT give that moment of clarity but it is just a moment and STILL no plan. rudderless..

    your "solution" sounds a lot like " rub some dirt in it and shake it off"

    good one dude
     
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  10. deb4rockets

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    What a selfish take. So let the young stupid irresponsible run around spreading it and keep everyone else in lockdown forever? SMH

    It shouldn't have gotten so out of control. We shouldn't still have to be in lockdown 6 months later because of this "Only the old are dying" BS mentality. That's a lie anyway.

    People like you, your chosen one, and the rest of his cult are self serving jerks, with no care about anyone but themselves. By the way, just because you don't die doesn't mean you don't end up with thousands of dollars of medical bills and damage to your body afterwards. We don't even have affordable healthcare like almost every other Western nation.
     
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  11. El_Conquistador

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    President Trump has put in place unprecedented public-private partnerships to 1) Develop testing (we lead the world in testing); 2) Fast track vaccine development and development of therapeutics; and 3) deliver financial help to those in need (PPP program was a smash hit, rapid response on stimulus programs was critical in saving jobs). Now, jobs and manufacturing activity are roaring back. All of these things happened far faster than they would have under a Democrat President... who would have been trapped in bureaucracy and red tape.

    The problem with COVID -- especially the deaths -- has been centered in Democratic cities and exacerbated by poor decisions made by Democratic governors... such as Cuomo, Wolf, Whitmer, Murphy, and Newsome. They sent COVID patients into nursing homes and wiped out thousands upon thousands of lives. That's the Democrats fault, pure and simple. And it's really not up for debate.
     
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    I think we're going to find that the non-fatal effects of COVID are much more serious than currently understood.

    PSU football doctor: 30-35 percent of COVID-19-positive Big Ten athletes had myocarditis
    https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article245448050.html

    New data helps illustrate what Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren might have meant when he described “too much medical uncertainty and too many unknown health risks” as reasons for postponing the Big Ten’s 2020-21 fall sports season.

    During a State College Area school board of directors meeting on Monday night, Wayne Sebastianelli — Penn State’s director of athletic medicine — made some alarming comments about the link between COVID-19 and myocarditis, particularly in Big Ten athletes. Sebastianelli said that cardiac MRI scans revealed that approximately a third of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can be fatal if left unchecked.

    “When we looked at our COVID-positive athletes, whether they were symptomatic or not, 30 to roughly 35 percent of their heart muscles (were) inflamed,” Sebastianelli said. “And we really just don’t know what to do with it right now. It’s still very early in the infection. Some of that has led to the Pac-12 and the Big Ten’s decision to sort of put a hiatus on what’s happening.”

    A day before the Big Ten announced its decision to postpone its fall sports season on Aug. 11, ESPN reported that the long-term effects of myocarditis had been discussed in meetings of presidents and chancellors, commissioners and athletic directors, and health advisory board members from the Big Ten and other conferences around the country.

    “You could have a very high-level athlete who’s got a very superior VO2 max and cardiac output who gets infected with COVID and can drop his or her VO2 max and cardiac output just by 10 percent, and that could make them go from elite status to average status,” Sebastianelli said. “We don’t know that. We don’t know how long that’s going to last. What we have seen when people have been studied with cardiac MRI scans — symptomatic and asymptomatic COVID infections — is a level of inflammation in cardiac muscle that just is alarming.”

    Neither Penn State nor the Big Ten responded to the Centre Daily Times’ requests for comment.

    “I have had no direct conversation with (Penn State) President (Eric) Barron on this topic,” Sebastianelli told the CDT in an email, “but needless to say we all have concerns for the health and safety of every PSU student-athlete, as well as those at every level of competition; this is a public health issue.”
     
  13. deb4rockets

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    Lie lie lie lie. Democrats cried to not reopen, and cried for enforcement of people not following procedures. Abbott rushed to reopen before meeting benchmarks and is adamant about not locking down again, no matter how bad it gets. He said it himself this week.

    "I said last month that Texas wouldn’t have anymore lockdowns—despite demands from mayors & county judges insisting on lockdowns. Since my last orders in July, Covid numbers have declined—most importantly hospitalizations. I hope to provide updates next week about next steps."

    The World Health Organization has said the positivity rate in an area should remain at 5% or lower before businesses are allowed to reopen.

    The state's seven-day average positivity rate was 9.6% on Tuesday, according to the latest data available from the Texas Department of State Health Services, the first time it had dropped below 10% since June 22.
    The positivity rate fluctuated through August because of a backlog of cases and glitches in the state's reporting system, rising as high as 24.5%. State health officials and Abbott have said those issues are resolved, but it's still difficult to see an accurate picture of how the rate has changed over the last month.
    https://www.statesman.com/news/20200902/gov-abbott-hints-at-easing-coronavirus-restrictions

    Democrat stance
    Now, as Abbott seems prepared to loosen some of those restrictions, Democrats warn that a shift could lead to another spike in COVID-19 cases.

    Today's Threat Level in Harris County
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    Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo’s office said it cannot comment specifically on a plan from the governor that has not been announced.

    However, the judge’s office notes Harris County is still experiencing a “Severe” Level-1 threat. The judge’s office says the spread of the virus in Harris County remains severe and uncontrolled.
    https://www.khou.com/article/news/h...tter/285-152608be-8e82-4294-b4a6-43c1387bee0b

    McClellan added that, although it's clear that restrictions are working and Abbott's statewide mask order has helped bring down the number of new cases, it's not time to let up.

    "There still are a number of areas in the state with high levels of COVID transmission," he said. "Any substantial changes in policy that could increase spread could have important consequences for that."
    https://www.statesman.com/news/20200902/gov-abbott-hints-at-easing-coronavirus-restrictions

    When schools across Texas all start opening because they are forced to, when sports resume, it will backfire. When you have thousands of college students bar hopping along 6th street and in College Station, it's bound to make things worse. This has been, and will be on Abbott. That Trump puppet isn't even mandating masks at polling stations. Why? That's just ignorant.

    UT reports 42 positive COVID-19 student cases Wednesday, up from 17 the day before
    Billy Gates
    5 hours ago
    https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavir...nt-cases-wednesday-up-from-17-the-day-before/


    Don't forget. Confirmed coronavirus cases and hospitalizations spiked by the end of June, after Abbott allowed restaurants, bars, retail stores, malls, hair salons and movie theaters to reopen in May.
    https://www.statesman.com/news/20200902/gov-abbott-hints-at-easing-coronavirus-restrictions
     
  14. deb4rockets

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    @Trader_Jorge
    Abbott says:
    "Since my last orders in July, Covid numbers have declined—most importantly hospitalizations. I hope to provide updates next week about next steps."

    One additional comment to make about Abbott's statement. What about deaths?
    Our 3 day moving average was 30 June 17th. Yesterday it was 138. Today, so far it is 169, without all counties reporting yet.

    Texas had 13,244 Coronavirus deaths as of yesterday. 9,446 of those have been since July 18th. Why on earth would Abbott consider easing restrictions with deaths so much higher than before? It's criminal negligence.
     
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    You seem to be discussing state-level issues when I very clearly said that the issue is with Democratic cities. Deaths and cases are clustered in Democrat-controlled cities. At the state level, NY, NJ, PA, CA, and MI have huge death tallies - all due to Democratic governors sending C19 positive patients into nursing homes... an incredibly stupid move. Cuomo of course is the worst offender.

    But let's face it, whether it's BLM violence, COVID problems, gun violence, poverty, unemployment, crime... the overwhelming majority of all of these nasty things take place in Democrat-controlled cities and locales and are created by Democrat voters and Democrat politicians. How people continue to vote for Democrats despite these consistently poor results over time is truly astonishing. Democrat politicians gain votes by dividing people based on race and wealth, playing on the emotions of the gullible.... because Democrat policies are now proven to be terrible for advancing safety and prosperity. At some point, Democrat voters living in poverty and surrounded by crime will wake up and realize that the people they are voting for simply aren't delivering positive results for them. Responsible, self-sufficient citizens are voting with their feet and moving to the suburbs to escape these problems. Sadly, what will be left in urban America will be even more dangerous when the tax base leaves town.
     
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    Wow, so a President who caters to the rich is supposed to help the poor by cutting taxes on the richest Americans is their answer? Scrapping Obama's healthcare plan and never making an affordable healthcare plan for those most in need is helping them? Giving out PPP loans to huge corporations and rich private hospitals helped the poor and unemployed?

    What exactly do you think Trump did to help anyone but the rich?

    The biggest start would be to do what most Western world countries do, and ensure people can afford healthcare. Can you imagine busting your butt 50 -60 hours a week just to barely get by and provide healthcare to your family? Many can't even afford it. Biden will help the middle class and poor more than Trump ever said he would. He's just a lying con man.

    The majority of crimes take place in the most populated cities in the world, regardless of which party runs those cities. Any huge populated city you find a lot more people living in poverty, gangs, looting, violence, and drugs than you would in some small village or town.

    How safe has anyone ever felt in the biggest cities in the U.S.? I didn't feel safe in parts of Houston even in the 70's. The same goes for cities like New York, Detroit, Los Angeles, and others. There were unsafe parts of those cities for decades. It's called poverty and population.

    Maybe starting by helping the poor and expanding social workers, networks, mental health providers and other programs is a start. Trump isn't the answer for that. He doesn't care.
     
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    irresponsible.

    but i wouldnt expect anything less.

    trump had an entire playbook from obama and your boy bush that he blew up.

    you cant blame anyone but trump. you are talking democrats and missing it all including a playbook to trade for winging it reactionary disaster.

    the actions you are talking about are AFTER ..AKA REACTIVE ( youve been in the proactive/reactive board meeting ..or have you?) you arent a liar like trump i dont think?

    lots of people have hypertension ..you dimwit ..im sitting at 140 through this whole presidency. you dangerously downplay( as republicans have done throughout and entire reason this has all happened and Im even here in my man garage typing this!!)

    you cannot let it run rampant and expect to isolate millions. that is unrealistic as is most repug fantasy. gather yourself you cant declare bankruptcy on rona and open another llc.

    your plan...err hitlers plan...errr trumps plan sounds more like a road towards final solution and more exclusion. whatcha gun do when they come for you?

    https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program

    even with an isolation program what are you saying? dont you get that other people can give it and highly transmissible? what part of that do you not get! no one cares about YOU they are asking KINDLY that you not give it to others! this simple concept seems over your head?

    ppe for jared is not a plan.. you are better than this ..
    you still dont get it do you?
    the virus will find you thats what it does!
     
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    As most of you know, my wife passed away January 6th of Covid-like symptoms. It was a little early for actual Covid and I had a serology test that was negative for Covid, but the symptoms were the same: flu-like infection, attacked her lungs, had to be put into a medical coma, died in 4 days.

    If you think Covid is just statistics talk to the families of the 184,000 dead. It's been 8 months and I still cry every day.
     
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    My prayers are with you and your family as you recover from this tragic loss.
     
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