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As time flies, has Hakeem legend fallen for Rockets fans?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Apr 22, 2010.

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Has Dream fallen?

  1. No -every year that passes, I realize how special he was

    442 vote(s)
    82.0%
  2. Yes -he can't even dominate a game, he was overrated

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  3. Didn't see him play - But I believe he was great

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  4. Didn't see him play - I believe he was overrated

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    1.5%
  1. ryano2009

    ryano2009 Member

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    Hell no, IMO one of the bests to ever play the game, right behind Jordan.
     
  2. conundrum

    conundrum Rookie

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    i dont know whats more confusing your post or your sig?

    go jazz go rockets go lakers go suns are your serious?
     
  3. rhino17

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    WHO CARES if you score 40 if you lose every game?
     
  4. ClutchCityReturns

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    You are either really clueless, or you're just trolling. Either way, it's in your best interest to just stop posting in this thread.
     
  5. Landry92

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    Never say the dream play ..
    I think old players are overapprecieted except the dream nobody talks about him .. anymore .. which makes his legacy protected ..

    It's sad to see his legacy questioned by 9 idiots .. who voted against him ..
     
  6. BasketballReasons

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    When I was 8 years old I read the man's book and did my first ever presentation on him.
    Dude was a machine.
     
  7. fadeaway

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    He's the reason I became a Rocket fan. He will always be the best big man in my eyes.
     
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  8. Someguy1229

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    I'll give you that the Dream could impact more on the defensive end by far but as far as scoring, the rate that T-Mac could score 40 point games was ridiculous.

    Maybe as far as an overall impact on the game itself the Dream was better but I still believe he wasn't as good of a scorer.

    Dream= better impact on the whole game

    Orlando T-Mac= better impact on the offensive end

    I'm sorry if I offended anyone, this is all my opinion and you don't have to agree with any of it.
     
  9. da_juice

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    Hakeem is one of the greatest centers of all time, and without a doubt the greatest rocket of all time
     
  10. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Nah, Tmac in his prime had less of an impact on the offensive end too. There is more then scoring you know...... remember Matt Maloney? Dream got him that contract. Hakeem made it so that jump shooters could rain wide open three's all day. Offensive rebounds? Pulling triple teams in his prime? He also played and DOMIANTED in arguably the greatest era of centers in the NBA. (hint: this is the worst era of centers ever)

    The league is sooo watered down and pussified with the "wing only marketable player" lets do the Phoenix Suns run hype crap.
     
  11. Hakeemtheking

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    We (the wife and I) came of age watching Hakeem play. To this day, she always commented how clutch Hakeem was when it really counted. Just an unbelievable talent, the likes this organization may never see it again.
     
  12. T_Man

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    Tell David Robinson that...

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  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    There's a huge fallacy with your thinking. I wasn't going to say anything because to be quite honest I just roll my eyes...but then I think I can see the flaw and why you think the way you do.

    The nature of the game of basketball, a guard has more ability to SHOOT than a center does.

    Why? because the ball starts off in a guards hands - either they bring it up the court or pass around the perimeter.

    It's much harder to get the ball into the post..and a lot more threatning.

    20 points from a center is more damaging than 20 points from a guard - because the center scores more EFFICIENTLY.

    What you are doing is looking at the ability of any guard to throw up a lot of shots - and if say 5 go in consecutively - that's a lot of points. A center doesn't get that opportunity because if they score 3 in a row they get doubled teamed.

    So by your logic, you could argue that Matt Maloney has more ability to impact a game offensively than Hakeem since Matt Maloney could hit 4 consecutive treys and score 12 points in 2 minutes - something Hakeem couldn't realistically ever do.

    Now, are you actually supporting that view point - because that's what it sounds like to me.

    Do you see now how ridiculous your thinking is?
     
  14. Melechesh

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    You got trolled hard people. The guy is probably laughing in front of his screen right now.
     
  15. Zboy

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    In all the years I have watched NBA, I have seen only one team that has won the championship with just one guy who was creator on offense for the team.

    The 93-94 Rockets.

    This was their flowchart for offense.

    1) Dump the ball down low to Hakeem.
    2) If single team YES, Hakeem scores on his man. If double or triple team YES, Hakeem passes to open shooters (Maxwell, Cassell, Smith, Elie) or open cutters (Thorpe, Horry).

    That is it. Very simple. The only time Rockets did not run this offense was when Hakeem was getting his 3-4 minutes rest/game.

    For this kind of offense to work and the team to win champinship, Hakeem would have to continue to prove that he could score on his man. If anyone could single cover Hakeem, this offense would fail.

    Portland bigs could not stop him. Suns bigs could not stop him. Jazz bigs could nto stop him. He was easily getting 30+ points and setting up all his teammates. And then the most impressive, which sually gets overlooked, is the performance against the Knicks. Pat Riley's defensive philosphy against Hakeem was to beat him up with quick rotations from his big men. Ewing, Mason, Charles Smith with help defense of Oakley, they all took their turns on Hakeem. Hakeem still delivered on the offensive end. Not many would have survided that physical play.

    93-94 Hakeem not only scored but got his teammates open looks. And that entire offense built around him won the championship.

    THAT is dominance on offense.

    Move on to 94-95. Hakeem got some help from Drexler, who would facilitate on offense to relive some pressure off of him. However 75% of offense was still going through Hakeem. Hakeem was putting 40+ points per game in the series against the Jazz. Rockets team set 3 point shotting record in game 2 in Utah (who do you think got them all the open looks?). Hakeem was his usual scoring machine against the Suns. In the Western confernce finals, Hakeem dominated and destroyed a hall of famer in David Robinson. In the finals, he was averaging close to 30ppg against Shaq. Hakeem's offensive numbers were just insane.

    Oh yeah, once again his offense worked, and so the Rockets won another championship.

    It is not a coincidence that the following year after his knee surgeries, once his offense declined, so did the Rockets.

    Uptil now, all I have talked about was Hakeem's offense. Add to it that he pretty much controlled the paint on defense with his man to man and help defense with his steals, bocks, and rebounds and the comparision gets even more laughable.

    Hakeem changed the opposing team's game plan because of his defense as well as his offense.

    I think you have been watching too much Dwight Howard.
     
  16. dback816

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    The unfortunate truth is that this is junior grade level trolling, but too many honest/naive people on CF keeps falling for this stuff.
     
  17. Alvin Choo

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    Signs of how great Hakeem is? You can see people being termed the next MJ, or wanting to be better than MJ. But no one ever says that about the Dream. Thats how great he is.
     
  18. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    He could be trolling but have you seen the Tmac fans?

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    there has been an exaggerated view of the Tmac Orlando days and no recollection of the Hakeem MVP days by many posters (I think they were too young).

    I remember them all.

    I remember the Eastern Conference was INCREDIBLY WEAK. They send the Nets to get whacked by the Spurs in the Finals. This was the year that it seemed that the Rockets would NOT LOSE to any eastern conference team.


    Weaker competition also factored in Tmac's 'best' season.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2003.html

    Oh Steve Francis lead the NBA in turnovers. :eek:

    Tim Duncan was CLEARLY the best player in the league. And he never had to win a scoring title to prove that.

    I think maybe Michael Jordan has poisoned people's mind that the scoring champion is also the best player in the league. But the people who saw MJ play know that it was his development of his defense that helped him become a great.

    Also, I remember that the Rockets whipped the Orlando Magic with that much hyped Tmac scoring champ

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304060HOU.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200301080ORL.html
     
  19. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    back to stuff for the real fans.

    let's not forget the 80s

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  20. Someguy1229

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    That's exactly my point, guards can score at a way faster rate than centers because they can't just be double teamed in the paint.
     

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