As time flies, has Hakeem legend fallen for Rockets fans?

Hakeem was one of the most offensively gifted centers of all time. What the line: he had 4 moves and 5 counter-moves for a total of 20? He's easily more dominant on the offensive end than Tracy.

You claim Tracy is more dominant because he has the ability to run around more; that's just stupid. Hakeem took everything his opponents gave him and still got numbers (and championships). That's true dominance.

Hakeem in the regular season never had the usage rate Tmac had, but compare instances in the playoffs when his usage went up close to Tmac's and what happens? Hakeem's number become as good or better.

Take your vaunted 2002-2003 Tmac season. His usage rate was 35.2% and he scored 32.1 points per game.

Hakeem only up'ed his usage in the playoffs (when it counted). So take for example 94-95 playoffs. Hakeem's usage goes up to 35.9; what happens to his scoring? Up to 33.0 points per game. And keep in mind he averaged those points in the playoffs for 4 rounds. That's sheer dominance.

(All stats sourced from basketball reference)

 

I was not aware that I had ever said that.

 

Lol, I will use one of your own quotes for this response. "I guess you could not refute the point I was making? Why I am not surprised."

That ladies and gentlemen is called being a hypocrite.

 

I am not surprised.

 

What an astounding comeback, I am blown away by the complexity of your response.

 

Yet another post and person disagreeing with someguy. I would like to know how many people (and who they are) in this thread agree with him.

 

You want me to refute your point that guards who are double teamed are more effective that center who get double teamed??

The point of the double team is to get the ball out of the players hand. If anything I would argue that a center kicking out from the post on double teams is more effective in getting good looks for his team than a wing player from top of the key. At worst, they would be equal.

If McGrady was effective on double teams, Rockets would have have lost by 40 points in game 7 and would not have lost game 4 in Houston either.

So, the reason why I didnt refute it was because I didnt expect it to be so hard to understand. I apologize for giving you credit. I take it back.

 

When one person has a different opinion on the forum that's hero is Hakeem, of course not many people are gonna agree.

I try not to be as bandwagon as possible especially with my own favorite team. I like to look at the whole picture instead of concluding because it is the most famed person in that franchises history then I must side with them.

I'm just a guy with a different opinion, maybe that is weird to you but sometimes it happens and you have to be okay with it.

 

Ahem, "We weren't even talking about the Houston T-Mac first of all so get your facts straight Mr. all knowing."

 

The problem isn't having a different opinion. The problem is that you have failed to back-up your claim. What compounded the problem for you was that you kept back-peddling as people kept dissecting your claim in an objective manner.

 

The offense of Magic T-mac did not get him anywhere either.

Also, all I need to look at is Tinman's signature so no back-peddling please.

 

I have backed up my claim many times, maybe you had trouble reading???

I still stand by my opinion, I'm sorry you can't accept that but that is the way life goes.

 

We were talking about on the offensive side of the ball so I don't see what your point is........?

Tinman much like you have trouble grasping the fact that people have opinions. That is the sad thing of today's world because many people now think that their opinions are fact and others are wrong.

 

You've not backed up your posts with any objective or quantifiable data, several people in this thread have.

As I've shown, Hakeem usage-adjusted is as offensively dominant (in the playoffs no less) or better than Tmac.

 

I gave him the benefit of doubt and went though some of his posts again and, as you said, did not find anything except lots of back-peddling.

 

Better that than piling up rep in the D&D. It is a Houston Rockets board, I think. If anyone should be given rep it should be for starting threads like this, above all.

 

Two of the three players that scored more points in a single game are CENTERS!

1. Wilt Chamberlain 100
2. Kobe 81
3. David Robinson 71

 

Dude, you are seriously making yourself look the fool, with all due respect.

"I think the logic of a SG being more effective than a C makes sense since you can double team a C and make him obsolete."

Did you ever watch Hakeem play? I followed the Dream from the time he first started playing for Guy Lewis. He started getting doubled in the NBA in his first year. Pat Riley, coach of the defending champion Lakers, was forced to focus his defense on Olajuwon, saying "We have to contain Olajuwon!" in the Western Conference Finals (you can look up the year for your remedial education), when we beat them in 5 games, a Lakers team far better than the team we took to 7 games last year. Yes, many years before the championship seasons, Riley not only said it on camera... he wrote "Contain Olajuwon!!!" on the blackboard as he said it. On camera. Contain him why? Because he was killing them on offense. Oh, he was also killing them on defense in his second year and in that series, but even then he was an amazing, if raw, offensive player. If you had been alive back then, or not in diapers, you would know that. The Rockets had some terrific perimeter players. They had the great Ralph Sampson. Who did Riley's Showtime Lakers key on? A second year center.

And as Zboy pointed out, you keep naming power forwards, when the discussion was about centers. Howard is a joke on offense, compared to Hakeem (or Sampson, for that matter). Yao didn't play. There simply is a dearth of centers in today's league that are worth a damn.

So no, saying "a SG being more effective than a C makes sense since you can double team a C and make him obsolete" is a nonsensical response. Dream was regularly double and even triple teamed, depending on who the Rockets played. Heck, even when he played against a good center, the opposition often showed the double team, but you wouldn't know that.

You should get out more and refresh your brain. Do some research. There's no shame in being wrong. There is a price to pay if you continue to play the fool. R.E.S.P.E.C.T. It ain't comin' your way.

 

You are a tracy hater who is trying to compare tracy to the dream so people will hate more on tmac. you have an agenda and it's obvious.