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As time flies, has Hakeem legend fallen for Rockets fans?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Apr 22, 2010.

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Has Dream fallen?

  1. No -every year that passes, I realize how special he was

    442 vote(s)
    82.0%
  2. Yes -he can't even dominate a game, he was overrated

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  3. Didn't see him play - But I believe he was great

    78 vote(s)
    14.5%
  4. Didn't see him play - I believe he was overrated

    8 vote(s)
    1.5%
  1. Zboy

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    No it does not.

    Are you serious? Surely you cant be this stupid.
     
  2. tinman

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    Didn't the Magic have no problem getting past the first round of the playoffs recently?

    Didn't they have a scoring champion twice and failed to win a playoff series?
     
  3. Someguy1229

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    Exactly, he would never belong in that company because he was only committed to offense. Excellent point.
     
  4. Zboy

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    And yet you claimed that McGrady's Orlando years were better than Dream's best years.

    You need to stop kicking yourself in the butt.
     
  5. Someguy1229

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    Dwight Howard was made ineffective in that series because the Bobcats were able to isolate him. The guards won that series, Jameer was a big part of them moving on.

    And for your second question, you aren't gonna win a playoff series if you don't play any defense.
     
  6. Someguy1229

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    I said offensively he was better because of the whole SG can be more effective than a C. Of course T-Mac wasn't better than the Dream overall. That would be a very stupid remark. This whole thing is about the offensive side of the ball and nothing else.
     
  7. tinman

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    depends your definition of 'ineffective', he had 13 boards in game 4. Nobody on charlotte had double figures in rebounding.

    12 of them were defensive rebounds.
     
  8. Zboy

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    Absolutely not. Hakeem's offense pretty much won Rockets two championships. The reason Rockets won was because Hakeem was unstoppable on offense those two years. McGrady's best offensive years could not get him past the first round.
     
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    He averaged I think it was 28 minutes in that series, that sounds pretty ineffective to me. Dwight is gonna get a lot of boards when he is in there but most of the time he was on the bench.
     
  10. tinman

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    Dream was better overall period.

    He was a better one on one player, there wasn't a single defender that could guard him one on one.

    one team tried to single cover him in the playoffs, the spurs. we all know that story.. well not all of us.
     
  11. T_Man

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    Great Points tinman,

    People only see the ladder Jordan and don't remember the Jordan that first came into the league.. Man he was the (I) before Iverson... Only cared about Mike...

    Unfortunately, Hakeem was the same way... He too had to learn how to learn to trust his teammates...

    But on the same hand players such as Domique Wilkins never learned that lesson and so they never won anything but individual titles..
     
  12. Someguy1229

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    Teams thought they could play him one on one but that wasn't the case in the playoffs and they payed for it. (Shaq, Ewing, Robinson)

    But if they doubled him I'm sure he wouldn't have been as unstoppable.

    It is like when Yao plays against teams with bad centers they have to double team him and he must pass out of the post. But when they play the Magic they think Dwight can play Yao 1v1 and end up getting burned every single time because Yao is way too dominant for Dwight to handle.
     
  13. Zboy

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    That goes for any position. I already gave you an example of McGrady.
     
  14. Someguy1229

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    But guards have more room to move around the court and get open. Centers however only have the post.

    See where I am getting at?
     
  15. Zboy

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    You are not getting anywhere, just like McGrady was getting nowhere with those double teams.
     
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    I can agree with the statment, but not for the reason. This was actually discussed in another thread with leebig and myself. The main reason is due to Big Men not working on perfecting their art. Back in the day Big Men such as Hakeem, Kareem and others went to Big Men camps...
     
  17. Someguy1229

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    Well if you wanna act nasty like that instead of having a healthy argument then I guess that is just how you roll.
     
  18. Zboy

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    I guess you could not refute the point I was making? Why I am not surprised.

    It is not nasty. It's the truth. Now if the truth is nasty then I cannot help you there.

    Plenty of people in this thread have given you excellent points to consider. Re-reading some of your strange posts it is quiet clear you were not around to see some of the best centers ever to play. You have also back-peddled plenty in this thread. Your age is showing.
     
  19. Someguy1229

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    We weren't even talking about the Houston T-Mac first of all so get your facts straight Mr. all knowing.

    You could not refute that center have no place but the post and guards can roam around the whole court.

    I also didn't know that opinions have become the truth all of a sudden. I should have read the memo that said that, my bad man.
     
  20. Zboy

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    I was not aware that the T-mac of Magic had passed the first round.
     

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